How to send your farmer to jail Update on Tester Amendment Post 239

[mame1616]

Anyone read the latest book about CAFOs called Animal Factory? This is the way the food supply is headed unless people stop it. Industrialized meat production is more harmful to the earth than the auto industry. My fear is that an epidemic will heat these CAFOs one day and decimate the food supply, and the powers that be will then come after us. Every time I educate my friends about what they THINK they are buying, they are always shocked. I don't trust any regulations that the government puts out. It is simply not in THEIR best interests to protect the little guy when Monsanto, Cargill, Tyson, and the rest are filling their pockets and supporting their elections. The entire USDA is filled with ex-employees of Monsanto and other corporate ag giants. Why should we trust anything they do? Seedcorn said that government does not favor GMO's, etc., but I have seen no evidence to the contrary. It will be the small farmer who provides food to his neighbors that will help save the food supply. Joel Salatin for President!

 

[I have WHAT in my yard?]

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150 years puts us precisely at 1860. 1861 is the start of the civil war. As a proud confederate do you still wish out of the union? Just askin'

 

[PaulaJoAnne]

I have WHAT in my yard? :

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150 years puts us precisely at 1860. 1861 is the start of the civil war. As a proud confederate do you still wish out of the union? Just askin'

Alright, lets keep it civil.
Remember, we are supposed to be governed by the people and for the people.
We just need to educate ourselves and those around us so we can see better changes.​

 

[ivan3]

The Bill: http://thomas.loc.gov/ (enter S510)

The language of the bill, as I read it, conforms with the 2002 Bioterrorism Act (that portion of the act implemented by the FDA defines facilities precisely and lists all exclusions).

Here's the pamphlet with the list of exclusions: http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Food/GuidanceComplianceRegulatoryInformation/GuidanceDocuments/FoodDefenseandEmergencyResponse/UCM113920.pdf

If there is a specific alteration that I missed, please post it up (eyes are going bad).

Get a grip, they can't field enough inspectors to cover the commercial outfits (remember, they've now had 8yrs - since 2002 - to play games with the definitions. Your State might have other ideas - glad I'm in Missouri).

Maybe they'll get on the stick (anyone remember the 2008 tomato panic? What a waste - Jalapenos from Mexico - how many good American tomatoes died?)

Link with some of the info. (I'd whine about lawyers but there it is): http://www.marlerclark.com/case_news/view/raw-tomato-salmonella-outbreak-16-states/ (CDC has it all): http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5734a1.htm

ed: link repair

 

[seedcorn]

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IF you were in Ag, you would. Every acre planted, grown, harvested is regulated if you use GMO's, fertilizer (both manure & or commercial), pesticides by the government. There are no government regs if you are non-GMO, non-federal programs, non-fertilizer or pesticides. Your choice.

The size of the farmer is not who provides food but the productive farmer is. Corn is now $5+ and according to one buyer (talked to him today) could be on it's way to $7. Their concept is that our current government will make laws to stop the rise of food prices while not controlling the rising increase cost of inputs. Most farmers are incorporated due to taxes. So when you bad mouth corporations, you are bad mouthing most "family" farms as well.

The whole farming community causes LESS pollution than your average suburb. Too many part time, "get back to nature" people have NO idea how to use pesticides or manure. Yes, over-use of manure causes major pollution problems.

zazouse, love the picture........can't imagine the P, K and N levels on that piece of dirt........soil sample would be out of bounds numbers. Hate to think of the amount of run off after a rain, criminal.

Ag is a small community so it's no surprise that the USDA people worked for some corporation at some point. The alternative is someone who has NO idea what AG is about setting up government regs for us in the industry--kind of like we got now.

Potash hasn't been $90/ton for decades.

ps, still waiting for names of those in federal pens for breaking no laws.

 

[PaulaJoAnne]

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This bill enforces a wide range of new laws, including the power to quarantine parts of the U.S., the power to search food producers at will, the power to implement so-called Good Agricultural Practices, and the power to require and approve HACCP plans guiding every step of production.

Even though they will not enforceit upon each individual, they will have the laws on the books to through at anyone they want to. Regardless of compliance.

 

[ivan3]

PaulaJoAnne wrote: Even though they will not enforceit upon each individual, they will have the laws on the books to through at anyone they want to. Regardless of compliance.

Please post the specific language that allows for such action, in the bill under discussion.​

 

[seedcorn]

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This bill enforces a wide range of new laws, including the power to quarantine parts of the U.S., the power to search food producers at will, the power to implement so-called Good Agricultural Practices, and the power to require and approve HACCP plans guiding every step of production.

Even though they will not enforceit upon each individual, they will have the laws on the books to through at anyone they want to. Regardless of compliance.

Are you saying you want areas that have major health problems to be allowed to sell infected animals? Remember mad cow? Because of regs, it stayed in Canada--with exception of someone who broke importation laws and brought them in. Those animals were quickly destroyed........... Bad federal government, should have allowed it to spread, right? We've irradicated a whole host of diseases by quarantining certain areas that had diseases and then destroyed the disease carriers........... Go to a swap meet, look at all the sick animals, that those small "producers" are trying to pawn off on some innocent...........bad government, stopping a small organic producer.............yeah right.

 

[ivan3]

seedcorn wrote: We've irradicated a whole host of diseases by quarantining certain areas that had diseases and then destroyed the disease carriers........... Go to a swap meet, look at all the sick animals, that those small "producers" are trying to pawn off on some innocent

Absolutely. The best recent example regarding live poultry:

The cost to the taxpayer: 138.9 million dollars to clean up the mess. Another 395 million lost in direct and indirect trade.​

 

[PaulaJoAnne]

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This bill enforces a wide range of new laws, including the power to quarantine parts of the U.S., the power to search food producers at will, the power to implement so-called Good Agricultural Practices, and the power to require and approve HACCP plans guiding every step of production.

Even though they will not enforceit upon each individual, they will have the laws on the books to through at anyone they want to. Regardless of compliance.

Are you saying you want areas that have major health problems to be allowed to sell infected animals? Remember mad cow? Because of regs, it stayed in Canada--with exception of someone who broke importation laws and brought them in. Those animals were quickly destroyed........... Bad federal government, should have allowed it to spread, right? We've irradicated a whole host of diseases by quarantining certain areas that had diseases and then destroyed the disease carriers........... Go to a swap meet, look at all the sick animals, that those small "producers" are trying to pawn off on some innocent...........bad government, stopping a small organic producer.............yeah right.

Don't put words in my posts

The FDA has released the paperwork from the last two raids they did. Absolutly NONE of it followed protical, and, all the tests were inconclusive. And within range.
And yet the dairies are shut down, 1/2 a million dollars worth of goods were confiscated, and all the goods were put under embargo to be destroyed. All without evidence.

I will leave you all with this, as its getting late here, and our wedding Anniversary is tommorow. I have a few things to do.

http://www.thecompletepatient.com/j...er-fda-as-federal-food-safety-legislatio.html