How to tell the diff between EE and Ameraucana?

[redhen]

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se..that right there confuses me!...if they cant tell till they lay a golden(blue/green) egg...what the heck IS the differance??

 

[monarc23]

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I'm ALWAYS the one behind in class!....

okay let me think of a way to explain this for you

Okay say theres only one showable color of potbellied piggies (had to use it looking at your piggie is just too darn cute not to

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say that ONLY showable color is black.....and you breed that black pig to a white pig...and you get black piglets, white piglets, and black and white piglets...the piglets are still from potbellied pig parents but ONLY the black are acknowledged as pures to the show standard.

Just like how my cocker spaniel Merelin isnt an accepted color.....HOWEVER atelast in the dog world AKC still accepts merle to be registered but they ask that you title their color by the color they MOST look like...my male most looks like BUFF (which is a showable color) but he's a merle which ISNT showable in cocker spaniels ....did this help any?

and a funny way to explain it....say you know a couple who both have black hair, yet they have two kids one with black hair the other with BLOND hair and blue eyes!!!!! They do a praternity test and YEP its their kid for sure.....but the recessive gene of blonde ahir and blue eyes was in both parents to express it. The kid is still theirs, just a different color.

The only thing that is kinda annoying is even if an bird is born from two amers...if it's the wrong color it's an EE

! LOL!

 

[soonerdog]

Yes, it is genetics. The bird in my avatar is a cross of Wheaten Ameraucan and White Ameraucana. He has the beard, muff, pea comb, blue legs...everything Ameraucana and parents were of two color variety of Ameraucana. Yet, he can not be called an Ameruacana because he is not a recognized color variety. And the other establishing factor would be if I had a hen that same color and bred it to him would the offspring breed true? So, he is not a recognized color variety within the breed and is most likely considered an EE.

 

[monarc23]

wait wait wait...


Lavender Ameraucanas......should they technically be called Lavendar EEs?

If the answer is yes, I understand completley

but visually looking at birds that are to color and type confuse me

If they lay green eggs they're out of the AMer club which i get but wow that's a lot of waiting to see LOL!

 

[soonerdog]

monarc23 wrote:
My question for those of you who show or atelast breed true ameraucanas...


can you LOOK at all EEs and tell by looking that they're EEs? Have any ever baffled you until they layed?

se..that right there confuses me!...if they cant tell till they lay a golden(blue/green) egg...what the heck IS the differance??

Well I'm sure some EE's most likely have been shown and probably fooled judges before. Am I certain of it..NO But highly likely. Most Ameraucana breeders could spot an EE on the spot!!! But if a solid black EE or solid white EE had all the characteristics of an Ameraucanas in FEATURES it might be possible to fool a judge in a show..but it would have to have leg color, etc. be pefect.

BUT........if you take that same EE bird and breed it the chances are high with it being an EE with mixed ancestry that the offspring will not breed true. There you have it! EE's do not breed true!​

 

[soonerdog]

wait wait wait...


Lavender Ameraucanas......should they technically be called Lavendar EEs?

If the answer is yes, I understand completley



but visually looking at birds that are to color and type confuse me If they lay green eggs they're out of the AMer club which i get but wow that's a lot of waiting to see LOL!

NO... they are bred to the standards of the Ameraucana breed. The key here is that they are not yet recognized but stringent efforts with the ameraucana world are moving fast to get them recognized. One rule is the color has to be bred and shown for five years first...remember I talked about the many many steps involved to get a color variety accepted.​

 

[redhen]

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I'm ALWAYS the one behind in class!....

okay let me think of a way to explain this for you

Okay say theres only one showable color of potbellied piggies (had to use it looking at your piggie is just too darn cute not to

)

say that ONLY showable color is black.....and you breed that black pig to a white pig...and you get black piglets, white piglets, and black and white piglets...the piglets are still from potbellied pig parents but ONLY the black are acknowledged as pures to the show standard.

Just like how my cocker spaniel Merelin isnt an accepted color.....HOWEVER atelast in the dog world AKC still accepts merle to be registered but they ask that you title their color by the color they MOST look like...my male most looks like BUFF (which is a showable color) but he's a merle which ISNT showable in cocker spaniels ....did this help any?

and a funny way to explain it....say you know a couple who both have black hair, yet they have two kids one with black hair the other with BLOND hair and blue eyes!!!!! They do a praternity test and YEP its their kid for sure.....but the recessive gene of blonde ahir and blue eyes was in both parents to express it. The kid is still theirs, just a different color.

The only thing that is kinda annoying is even if an bird is born from two amers...if it's the wrong color it's an EE

! LOL!

yeah, the piggies helped!...except what you said....IF BOTH parents are Am. and they throw an off color...why isnt the offspring STILL an AM.? if my pigs threw off differant colors..they would STILL be pot bellies.(just cant show them)...UNLESS i bred them with another breed of pigs..(hence the STILL being a MUTT)...THIS is why i am confused!...

 

[The Chicken Lady]

These are some really good explanations, you guys. The next time someone asks this question, you should point them to this thread as part of your answer. It might become as famous a repository of BYC expertise as Rooster-red's "Roo Behavior" page.

 

[monarc23]

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that'd be cool

 

[monarc23]

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NO... they are bred to the standards of the Ameraucana breed. The key here is that they are not yet recognized but stringent efforts with the ameraucana world are moving fast to get them recognized. One rule is the color has to be bred and shown for five years first...remember I talked about the many many steps involved to get a color variety accepted.

Okay the wheels in my head are turning slowly now again

SO, the lavander has been shown just NOT accepted completley yet is what you're saying? Sorry if im misunderstanding here...I appreciate ALL the help you're giving us!