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[Wil781]

I would be hard to know what next step I would take. I would give her a few more days to see if there is any improvement. IF I thought she had infection, I might try antibiotics to see if those would help, but each situation is different.

Has she laid any eggs since this began?

No eggs since first of last week

 

[Wyorp Rock]

No eggs since first of last week

Will she drink/eat on her own?

If you can find the products in @Hen Pen Jem previous post, that would be worth a try. I know some people use that in hen's with reproductive disorders as well. For a short period of time it can make them comfortable especially if they have fluid in the abdomen. I don't see anything that it would hurt.

 

[Wil781]

Will she drink/eat on her own?

If you can find the products in @Hen Pen Jem previous post, that would be worth a try. I know some people use that in hen's with reproductive disorders as well. For a short period of time it can make them comfortable especially if they have fluid in the abdomen. I don't see anything that it would hurt.

Yes she eats and drinks, she still doing chicken things but lays around more than normal. She is not eating a lot and has dropped a good amount of weight. She has no fluid in abdomen. I am trying to locate some Liquid Hepato so I can start her today!

 

[Hen Pen Jem]

Another good product with Milk Thistle is "Lily of the Desert - Aloe Vera 80 detox". It will help any intestinal issues, as well as support the liver. This product has other herbs too, that are safe for poultry. It's easy to use, just add a tablespoon to one gallon of water. Again, you will have to call around to health food stores to see if they carry it. It is a good product for birds and people too!

If you can only find a capsule Milk Thistle supplement, then, you can mix something up yourself.

If she has lost weight, you should also be providing good supportive care:

• Offer cooked whole grains (brown rice, wheat berries, oat groats, barley, corn), one tablespoon of cooked diced meat, fresh greens, a bit of fruit (diced apple, black grape, berries, melon), and her regular feed (dry and/or wet).
• A dose of poultry vitamins, orally, once a day for three days.
• Electrolyte in the water for three days.
• Keep her vent clean, fill an irrigation bottle with warm soapy water and one with just water, flush the vent with soapy water, rinse with water, pat dry. This is important in order to prevent vent gleet, or worse fly strike, flies are every where in the world. Chickens with loose stools or diarrhea are ripe for this!

 

[Wil781]

Another good product with Milk Thistle is "Lily of the Desert - Aloe Vera 80 detox". It will help any intestinal issues, as well as support the liver. This product has other herbs too, that are safe for poultry. It's easy to use, just add a tablespoon to one gallon of water. Again, you will have to call around to health food stores to see if they carry it. It is a good product for birds and people too!
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If you can only find a capsule Milk Thistle supplement, then, you can mix something up yourself.

If she has lost weight, you should also be providing good supportive care:

• Offer cooked whole grains (brown rice, wheat berries, oat groats, barley, corn), one tablespoon of cooked diced meat, fresh greens, a bit of fruit (diced apple, black grape, berries, melon), and her regular feed (dry and/or wet).
• A dose of poultry vitamins, orally, once a day for three days.
• Electrolyte in the water for three days.
• Keep her vent clean, fill an irrigation bottle with warm soapy water and one with just water, flush the vent with soapy water, rinse with water, pat dry. This is important in order to prevent vent gleet, or worse fly strike, flies are every where in the world. Chickens with loose stools or diarrhea are ripe for this!

She is eating a little. I gave her scratch last night, not usually what i feed (Purinia Grower with oyster shell on the side) but since her eating has been off thought it surely wouldn't hurt and although her crop was not full by a long shot I could feel grains in it and she was empty this morning. I have ordered the Liquid Hepato for pets it will be here Wednesday, I called all over this town trying to find it but no one had it. She really doesn't have diarrhea, she has formed poop but a lot of yellow urates that are watery, if that makes any sense. Her fluff butt is clean and fluffy.

I don't have her separated from her sisters because she really gets stressed out. She still hangs out with them and when she get tired she will go off by herself and sit for a bit. Thank you so much for your help, everyone has been so helpful over the last week. I will probably go and pick up some milk thistle and maybe mix a capsule with some Nutri Drench and give that to her to Day and tomorrow until the other comes in, I will update!

 

[Hen Pen Jem]

Depending on the amount of milligrams in the capsule of Milk Thistle, that you buy, the hen will only need 15-20 mg.

So, if you purchase a 140 mg. capsule, the chicken will only need a fraction, of a capsule. Remember, people supplements are in amounts large enough for an avarage adult. However, Milk Thistle is a very safe herbal supplement, so if you can find a 140 mg. capsule, give the chicken 1/4 of the capsule contents. That will supply 35 mg., which you can administer once a day, till the Liquid Hepato arrives.

And yes, a chicken can urinate. It is not normal for them, and only happens when the body is trying to rid itself of toxins. Normally, a healthy chicken poops crystalized, white colored urates that top the feces.

According an article written by Dr. Rob Marshall, avian vet, on bird droppings, birds including chickens, can and do form urine (the clear watery part). Sometimes the urine and the crystalized urate will mix, and form a sticky type substance. I have a hen with tumors, she lets out urine mixed with crystalized urates every other day or so. The urates are usually white, but, can be yellow. When that happens, I administer some Liquid Hepato, or put the Lily of the Desert, in her water. She will never fully recover. But, she is happy, eats and is now pooping normally, most of the time. She follows the flock and enjoys foraging.

I think it's good to have your hen with the flock, as long as she is happy there. And it's good that her poop is has form/bulk. Her droppings were loose in one of the photos. She may be on the mend.



God Bless

 

[Wil781]

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Depending on the amount of milligrams in the capsule of Milk Thistle, that you buy, the hen will only need 15-20 mg.

So, if you purchase a 140 mg. capsule, the chicken will only need a fraction, of a capsule. Remember, people supplements are in amounts large enough for an avarage adult. However, Milk Thistle is a very safe herbal supplement, so if you can find a 140 mg. capsule, give the chicken 1/4 of the capsule contents. That will supply 35 mg., which you can administer once a day, till the Liquid Hepato arrives.

And yes, a chicken can urinate. It is not normal for them, and only happens when the body is trying to rid itself of toxins. Normally, a healthy chicken poops crystalized, white colored urates that top the feces.

According an article written by Dr. Rob Marshall, avian vet, on bird droppings, birds including chickens, can and do form urine (the clear watery part). Sometimes the urine and the crystalized urate will mix, and form a sticky type substance. I have a hen with tumors, she lets out urine mixed with crystalized urates every other day or so. The urates are usually white, but, can be yellow. When that happens, I administer some Liquid Hepato, or put the Lily of the Desert, in her water. She will never fully recover. But, she is happy, eats and is now pooping normally, most of the time. She follows the flock and enjoys foraging.

I think it's good to have your hen with the flock, as long as she is happy there. And it's good that her poop is has form/bulk. Her droppings were loose in one of the photos. She may be on the mend.



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Thank you for your reply, below I'm adding pictures of Ellie Mae. She has been eating very little, the Liquid Hepato is due here today at anytime so as soon as it gets here I will give her a dose .3ml. So today she will at least get one dose. I have ordered the Lily of the Valley and it should be here tomorrow. She is still up walking around but today her tail is down and she is weak, if another hen runs up and bumps her she stumbles. Her poop is turning bright green, urates are still yellow, I hope she can recover.

She is loving the Nutri Drench water, hope it perks her up.

She is having white clover sprouts and scratch

 

[Hen Pen Jem]

Weight loss and weakness, can be the result of inadequate food intake, the body using excess calories to fight infection, diarrhea, a heavy parasite load (internal or external), or can even be a metabolic disorder.

Your hen is very weak, which accounts for the slow walking and stumbling. She may be anemic from fighting infection, and most likely has at the very least, loose stools.

You need to increase her caloric intake by manually feeding her, if she is not eating substantial amounts of food. Sprouts and vitamin water will not increase her strength. Not even the Liquid Hepato will help, if she is lacking nourishment. The Lily of the Valley should not be used if she is weak. As, it has dandelion root in it, and will cause her to make urine. If she doesn't drink enough water she'll dehydrate. Just use the Liquid Hepato, till she is stronger.

If she were mine, I would start feeding her manually with a syringe. Or, if you know how to tube feed that would be good too. She needs a bird replacement powdered meal. Personally, I use Hemp Protein Powder for critically ill birds. The powder should be mixed with warm water to form a pancake batter consistency. You can also add Manuka Honey, coconut oil for extra fat, etc. You can make your own by pulverizing some of her feed with water in a blender. It must be smooth enough to pass through the hole in a syringe. Feed her at least 40 ml, per day. I feed 8-10 ml, four to five times a day.

From what you describe, it sounds as though the hen is in critical condition. She can go downhill suddenly and death can follow very quickly if you don't start to treat her more aggressively.

• Once a hen is stumbling, they should be isolated, so they expend as little energy as possible. They cannot compete for food, or deal with the harshness of the environment when they're in a weakened state.

• Bright green poop and yellow urates, she has an infection. Without a good antibiotic, she will not survive the week. She should also be on a broad spectrum antibiotic: Enrofloxacin or Doxycycline.

So, these are revised thoughts on your hen's issue. I hope I have been helpful.

God Bless and good health to your hen.

 

[Wil781]

Weight loss and weakness, can be the result of inadequate food intake, the body using excess calories to fight infection, diarrhea, a heavy parasite load (internal or external), or can even be a metabolic disorder.

Your hen is very weak, which accounts for the slow walking and stumbling. She may be anemic from fighting infection, and most likely has at the very least, loose stools.

You need to increase her caloric intake by manually feeding her, if she is not eating substantial amounts of food. Sprouts and vitamin water will not increase her strength. Not even the Liquid Hepato will help, if she is lacking nourishment. The Lily of the Valley should not be used if she is weak. As, it has dandelion root in it, and will cause her to make urine. If she doesn't drink enough water she'll dehydrate. Just use the Liquid Hepato, till she is stronger.

If she were mine, I would start feeding her manually with a syringe. Or, if you know how to tube feed that would be good too. She needs a bird replacement powdered meal. Personally, I use Hemp Protein Powder for critically ill birds. The powder should be mixed with warm water to form a pancake batter consistency. You can also add Manuka Honey, coconut oil for extra fat, etc. You can make your own by pulverizing some of her feed with water in a blender. It must be smooth enough to pass through the hole in a syringe. Feed her at least 40 ml, per day. I feed 8-10 ml, four to five times a day.

From what you describe, it sounds as though the hen is in critical condition. She can go downhill suddenly and death can follow very quickly if you don't start to treat her more aggressively.

• Once a hen is stumbling, they should be isolated, so they expend as little energy as possible. They cannot compete for food, or deal with the harshness of the environment when they're in a weakened state.

• Bright green poop and yellow urates, she has an infection. Without a good antibiotic, she will not survive the week. She should also be on a broad spectrum antibiotic: Enrofloxacin or Doxycycline.

So, these are revised thoughts on your hen's issue. I hope I have been helpful.

God Bless and good health to your hen.

Where can I get the antibiotic? Also when feeding her by dropper do I just drop it in her mouth to the right side? She is eating or she is pretending to just not enough she has lost so much weight.

 

[Eggcessive]

When I have a sick chicken I just give them Poultry NutriDrench, clean water and feed. I may add some water to the feed, and add a little chopped egg, tuna, or liver in small amounts. Many chickens with egg yolk peritonitis do not digest the food normally, so they may not eat well.

I don’t use many of the herbal remedies, except some occasiona garlic, although many believe in them and use them. I just feel like for those whose finances are tight, those herbal remedies may be expensive and not necessary. Chickens with reproductive disorders or liver problems generally do not make it long term. Money may be spent on more necessary items, but if you can afford to try various products recommended, that is fine. Hen Pen Jem seems to know a lot about herbal remedies, and she is very nice to offer help.