Humans are animals, too

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The reason those species over populate is directly a result of humans. It is a fact that as we hunt and kill certain species, and/or destroy their habitat, ie rainforests, etc, they reproduce at a quicker rate to try and combat the threat, often resulting in overpopulation. Left alone, nature is near perfect, in that the natural order and food chain and predator issues all take their roles and even things out. It's humans that mess it up.

A small example: My ex lives in a suburb of Massachusetts and always complains about the squirrels. He complains that they multiply like crazy and destroy bird feeders and the like, and constantly plots to somehow eradicate them. He doesn't understand how I could live in the woods of New Hampshire and not be overrun with squirrels. I try to explain to him: It's not that the squirrels are over producing; it's that the habitat in his area has been destroyed due to development, and that the predators of squirrels in that area are near obsolete. If it weren't for all the condo's and golf courses (humans), there would still be adequate predators to keep the squirrels controlled.

As far as the elephants you mentioned, there are two main causes for their overpopulation and both are caused by humans:

1. We cut off their natural migratory route and put them in reserves that cannot support their numbers, and as a result don't allow them to travel and be killed naturally

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2. We constantly eradicate Anthrax in that area, which would otherwise naturally kill many. We immediately inoculate susceptible animals and burn any diseased ones, taking away the natural order of disease and death.

So again, humans are to blame for these problems.
 
I've gotten some VERY odd looks when I've pointed this out...

IE when two guys come to blows over a girl... HELLO just be glad they aren't butting heads!
Or when a preggers woman goes bananas painting, putting a crib together, etc... NESTING... duh.

Some incredibly obvious examples... and some folks own up to... like nesting...
But other things they just get really bent out of shape about.

MIL is one of them... I like going for bonus points and saying we're having cow for dinner... that really irks her... donno why... it's okay to say we're having chicken or fish... so why not call cow cow and pig pig... *shrug* we all have our hangups I guess.
 
Nature does not have a perfect, balanced system, it changes all the time. Conditions change, species either adapt or die out. Humans are responsible for a lot of the most rapid change, but extinction and evolution have been going on for a whole lot longer than we have had the kind of influence that we have now. There are many animals that adapt their environment to suit their needs (think beavers) but they don't do it "for the greater good." When they change things, some species may also benefit, but others won't, and must either move elsewhere or die. I seriously doubt any animal ever took the attitude that "Oh, goody! We have some new predators in the area. They'll kill enough of us to keep us from devouring our entire food source and starving!"

Man is the only animal with a system of morals. Animals are entirely selfish by nature; everything they do is centered on themselves and their progeny. The lucky and skillful get to pass their genes on, the others don't. While the social animals enforce a system of rules within their society, the only evil an animal can really do is essentially self-defeating. Follow the rules, and the group continues for more generations. Break the rules, and that particular animal most likely ceases to exist. If enough individuals within the group break the rules, the group itself ceases to exist. Since animal groups are almost always related individuals, supporting the group means supporting your genes, whether or not you in particular benefit.

People, on the other hand, have the ability to view the world through something other than the self-centered perspective. Most of our society's rules are based on supporting the group as a whole. When you think about it, the Ten Commandments are mostly about keeping an individual "in line" within a social structure. Selfish behavior is considered bad, because it has consequences for others in the group. Human groups are so large and so diverse, relatedness no longer matters. In fact, the behavior that seems to garner the most praise seems to be acts of selflessness, where the individual and its genes can derive no possible benefit. When a human commits an evil act, it may benefit that individual, but it has a negative impact elsewhere. We are the only animal that even considers "collateral damage" when choosing a course of action.

PineappleMama, people certainly can be funny things. I know some people (including, I think, some on this forum) that get squeamish about eating fertilized eggs, apparently because they consider it eating an unborn being. Non-fertile eggs, well, that's all right, they weren't going to do anything anyway; in fact, it's a sort of moral high ground to not let them go to waste. To each their own!
 
Im an animal and proud of it!
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Glad Im not a tree or plant!!
 
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i know right! i would hate to just (sit) there as plant!
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Ugh! Me too. I can't set very long in one place anyway, so that would be sooooo hard to contend with.

I read once where if lightening starts a forest fire, then that is mother nature's way of controlling things . . .it was suppose to happen, but if man sets a fire that turns into a raging forest fire, that is againest the plan of nature. Interesting.

I also tell people that everytime we destroy an insect type or an animal breed of any kind, that puts us one step closer to extinction, beause they were here first! No one likes to hear that.
 
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i know right! i would hate to just (sit) there as plant!
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Ugh! Me too. I can't set very long in one place anyway, so that would be sooooo hard to contend with.

I read once where if lightening starts a forest fire, then that is mother nature's way of controlling things . . .it was suppose to happen, but if man sets a fire that turns into a raging forest fire, that is againest the plan of nature. Interesting.

I also tell people that everytime we destroy an insect type or an animal breed of any kind, that puts us one step closer to extinction, beause they were here first! No one likes to hear that.

so true
 
Very good post Bunny Lady.

Yes, LauraJean I know man has had an impact upon the environments and populations of many animals around the world.
We seem to have this idealized image of nature in that it wont change over time. That is one of the things we know for sure, is that nature WILL change. Whether a species' environment is changed by man altering it or a hurricane or volcano changing it, animals must learn to deal with that change or become extinct.
 
I don't know about some things but I DO know that my two silkies are vastly more intelligent than most humans I know.
 

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