Hybrid Pheasants

[Quail's Hollar Farm]

Like I said I'm not starting anything I'm just giving my two sense.

 

[DragonEggs]

Besides I don't think someone would breed a hybrid (or rather a cross) just to try and breed it back to the original bird to try and get purbreed birds. Like Ligers these seem to be bred just for color and exotic variety. I don't think you're ruining anything this way, there will always be people out there breeding for pure and I believe people breeding for hybrids originally bred for pure and will keep breeding pure.

Also, on the selling note, if someone was to sell hybrid pheasants as a colorful addition to someones aviary or garden I see nothing wrong with that as long as they sell it for what it is: a mutt. And to be quite honest people pay good money for mutts (EG: Labradoodles, Puggles, Yorkipoos, etc). Even someone like me with little knowledge of pheasants will want to know exactly what kind of bird they are buying. Since MOST hybrids are in fact sterile this will discourage people from buying them and thus also discourage the breeding of them. However, people who want a little variety for themselves can and will still do it and that is their choice.

 

[aprophet]

Quote:
Not sure if I can remember all the way back to math class:

Red Golden X Lady Amherst cross= generation 1 is 50% (1/2)
Red Golden X 50% hen= generation 2 is 75% red golden (3/4)
Red Golden X 75% hen= generation 3 is 87.5% red golden (7/8)
Red Golden X 87.5% hen= generation 4 is 93.75% red golden (15/16)

I would say 4 years to 15/16 birds.

this kina assumes you are starting with pure birds and not a 15/16 mutt someone sold with out being honest this also assumes that all birds are fertile and everything goes exactly right , My little part of the world Never goes this well

so if everything dose not go perfectly????????

 

[chickenpiedpiper]

Personally, I think the animals whether pure, Hybrid or Cross are exquisite, and I appreciate the OP putting the images out here for us to see and appreciate! I own Red and Golden Pheasants, and have often considered some of the other breeds, but have been discouraged due to thier potential temperments towards the hens in a cage environment. Tho I would not personally breed for a hybrid at this time, I see no harm in it, they are clearly not run of the mills and anyone with a solid knowledge of the birds would recognize them as something different. I have pens of purebred chickens, and heritage breeds, and I have pens of birds that I cross for project colors, or for fun and temperment.

I would love to own some of those Hybrids, if I knew the temperment, they would be a great conversation point in any aviary.

I think the compromise here could simply be that if a Hybrid or Cross leaves your possession, perhaps an envelope with a little packet of information on the genetics of the birds be passed along with the receipt. This is really all that can be done to prevent further confusion down the line.

Thanks again for sharing your images, I really appreciate it, and will now keep my eyes open for some of these beauties!!

 

[Charliet]

nice birds
Randy thanks for posting them im not going to get in to this but i think there are wonderful birds and i hate people are harrasing you for posting them. it is one thing i dont like about this hobby and makes me consider stoping with birds no one ever considers anyone elses feelings or opions. it is truly sad
but nice pic

 

[Quail's Hollar Farm]

I just want all of you to know that I'm in no way harrassing anybody on here. I wouldn't like that behavior being forwarded to me and for surley I wouldn't do it to anybody else.

 

[spectrumranch]

Quote:
Not sure if I can remember all the way back to math class:

Red Golden X Lady Amherst cross= generation 1 is 50% (1/2)
Red Golden X 50% hen= generation 2 is 75% red golden (3/4)
Red Golden X 75% hen= generation 3 is 87.5% red golden (7/8)
Red Golden X 87.5% hen= generation 4 is 93.75% red golden (15/16)

I would say 4 years to 15/16 birds.

this kina assumes you are starting with pure birds and not a 15/16 mutt someone sold with out being honest this also assumes that all birds are fertile and everything goes exactly right , My little part of the world Never goes this well

so if everything dose not go perfectly????????

You are right- anyone could have started with a mixed bird from the begining.

Most things never go perfectly in my world either.

I should also state that I do not agree with using the breeding strategy example recommended by Tony.

Cross birds (not Hybrids, cause hybrids are sterile) should remain in a crossbreeding group, UNLESS outcrossing is absoultely needed to save a species.

This thread was about- hybrid pheasants- NOT CROSSED pheasants! Seeing it has now turned into a crossed pheasant discussion, we maybe need to go back to the orginal page on the definition of each :

Hybrid Pheasants are the result of breeding two pheasants from DIFFERENT family groups and are usually sterile. For example breeding a Ringneck (true pheasant family) and a Reeves pheasant (long tailed pheasant family) will produce offspring which I have found to be infertile.

Crossed Pheasants are the result of breeding two pheasants from the SAME family group and are capable of reproducing. For example the most common crossed pheasants are Golden & Lady Amherst, both are in the RUFFED PHEASANT family. When breed together the offspring are fertile to reproduce.

I do not like breeding pheasants to produce crosses, but I DO NOT have a problem with hybrids.

When people understand the difference then we can have a more effective discussion. And anyone that has actually worked with hybrids or crosses can offer more insight than speculators.​

 

[Tony K T]

I wish someone would explain me how a crossbred or hybrid is sterile.
In N.H.,Tony.

 

[mmfarm]

First off, let me say this is NOT directed at the OP, who made a clear distinction between his (sterile) hybrids & crosses, but since the issue of crossing has come up, I'd like to add my perspective as someone new to the hobby. I have had a difficult time finding pure goldens, and have encountered a frightening number of people who are selling mixed birds as purebred, many completely unaware that their birds are not pure. I recently saw an on-line auction for a pair of "red goldens" and the male had a WHITE CAPE, among other things. I knew this wasn't a purebred bird, and I didn't buy them, but they sold, and whoever bought them will likely breed them and sell the offspring as goldens, and their offspring, and so forth. I'm not familiar with pheasant genetics, but I would suspect that eventually some unsuspecting person down the line is going to get a very strange looking bird hatch from what they believed were 2 purebred birds, perhaps birds they have invested a lot of time and money in. I've had this happen with another species, and it's a crushing blow. I would strongly encourage anyone who chooses to cross their pheasants to keep them for their own enjoyment and humanely dispose of excess birds, as, even with the best of intentions, it is nearly impossible to prevent a bird from being used for breeding and/or being misrepresented once it leaves your hands.

 

[Animallover606]

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