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How? please explain.
How? please explain.
Hybrid Pheasants
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im with Tony KT
the more crossing you do with pheasants the less the lines are pure there pretty and all but why in the world did you do that. i really think instead of working on new colorful ones we need to improve the ones we have the PURE ones.
the more crossing you do with pheasants the less the lines are pure there pretty and all but why in the world did you do that. i really think instead of working on new colorful ones we need to improve the ones we have the PURE ones.
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Is that a question for me? or a general statement?
Is that a question for me? or a general statement?
general statement
i still just dont understand why we cant keep pheasants pheasants quail quail and chickens chickens ect ect why try to crossbreed a chicken with a pheasant or the other way around i personal am striving for better pure birds not a bunch of mixed up pheasants thats my opinion if yall do that please just dont sell them. thats all im asking not starting anything i just dont want to wipe the pure breeds out for my future family and friends
i still just dont understand why we cant keep pheasants pheasants quail quail and chickens chickens ect ect why try to crossbreed a chicken with a pheasant or the other way around i personal am striving for better pure birds not a bunch of mixed up pheasants thats my opinion if yall do that please just dont sell them. thats all im asking not starting anything i just dont want to wipe the pure breeds out for my future family and friends
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How is crossing a pheasant with a chicken.........wiping out the purebreeds?
How is crossing a pheasant with a chicken.........wiping out the purebreeds?
because eventually if everyone is trying to get the hybrids just for fun then there will be no one breeding pures except for certain people.
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I do have to say, I personally don't like hybrids, but if they are managed properly and are not bred with other birds I don't see the harm. I would just hate to see a hybrid mixed with purebloods and then are sold to the general public. It's like golden and lady amhersts pheasant situation, people didn't mean any harm to hybridize them, heck! the hybrid is geourgeous! But they accidentally caused problems for people who want pure goldens now.
I see what Tony K T is trying to say, and I understand his aggrivation. I do discourage hybrids at all cost, but then again who am I to say what people can do with their birds.
I see what Tony K T is trying to say, and I understand his aggrivation. I do discourage hybrids at all cost, but then again who am I to say what people can do with their birds.
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How? please explain.
Randy,I think that you of all people would understand it,as I have visited your website with all those exotic animals.
One season of crossbreeding explanation.The chicks that you hatch from crossbreeding are not pure birds.In order to get them back close to pure(not pure still)you have to breed the father to the daughter,the second year the father to the daughter of their offspring,the 3rd the father to the daughter of that generation all the way to the 7th year.After the 7th year you have produced a new bloodline,not pure ,new.Now if you are lucky enough to keep the father bird alive for that 7 years,you have a shot at producing 15/16 pure bird.And yet still you never get that pure strain back.
I hope that I have explained it correct,if not someone please clarify it for me.
In N.H.,Tony.
How? please explain.
Randy,I think that you of all people would understand it,as I have visited your website with all those exotic animals.
One season of crossbreeding explanation.The chicks that you hatch from crossbreeding are not pure birds.In order to get them back close to pure(not pure still)you have to breed the father to the daughter,the second year the father to the daughter of their offspring,the 3rd the father to the daughter of that generation all the way to the 7th year.After the 7th year you have produced a new bloodline,not pure ,new.Now if you are lucky enough to keep the father bird alive for that 7 years,you have a shot at producing 15/16 pure bird.And yet still you never get that pure strain back.
I hope that I have explained it correct,if not someone please clarify it for me.
In N.H.,Tony.
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I do have to say, I personally don't like hybrids, but if they are managed properly and are not bred with other birds I don't see the harm. I would just hate to see a hybrid mixed with purebloods and then are sold to the general public. It's like golden and lady amhersts pheasant situation, people didn't mean any harm to hybridize them, heck! the hybrid is geourgeous! But they accidentally caused problems for people who want pure goldens now.
I see what Tony K T is trying to say, and I understand his aggrivation. I do discourage hybrids at all cost, but then again who am I to say what people can do with their birds.
A hybrid- is sterile- therefore a HYBRID does not contaminate any bloodline or purity!
A Cross on the other hand- does produce a fertile offspring.
If I am looking for pure birds- I buy from a breeder that has the birds with good bloodlines. I also understand that many people can have a hard time telling the difference from a red golden hen and a ringneck hen- so picking out an amherst from a red golden hen is much worst for some people.
I do have to say, I personally don't like hybrids, but if they are managed properly and are not bred with other birds I don't see the harm. I would just hate to see a hybrid mixed with purebloods and then are sold to the general public. It's like golden and lady amhersts pheasant situation, people didn't mean any harm to hybridize them, heck! the hybrid is geourgeous! But they accidentally caused problems for people who want pure goldens now.
I see what Tony K T is trying to say, and I understand his aggrivation. I do discourage hybrids at all cost, but then again who am I to say what people can do with their birds.
A hybrid- is sterile- therefore a HYBRID does not contaminate any bloodline or purity!
A Cross on the other hand- does produce a fertile offspring.
If I am looking for pure birds- I buy from a breeder that has the birds with good bloodlines. I also understand that many people can have a hard time telling the difference from a red golden hen and a ringneck hen- so picking out an amherst from a red golden hen is much worst for some people.
because eventually if everyone is trying to get the hybrids just for fun then there will be no one breeding pures except for certain people.
Those are some big assumptions....... and in my opinion (since we are stating OPINIONS) not true.
As I stated before I did not produce the hybrids I own or have owned. With that said- I do not see many people trying to produce hybrids.
I usually have some extra males around of different pheasant species- I don't think common Ringneck pheasants are at risk of becoming extinct, MacFarlanes has over 1.5 Million of them alone. So I don't think taking a spare male and putting it with a ringneck hen is going to devastate any populations. In fact- I think by that male being with a ringneck hen will keep him active and better mannered for when I need him to breed with a hen of his own species.
Those are some big assumptions....... and in my opinion (since we are stating OPINIONS) not true.
As I stated before I did not produce the hybrids I own or have owned. With that said- I do not see many people trying to produce hybrids.
I usually have some extra males around of different pheasant species- I don't think common Ringneck pheasants are at risk of becoming extinct, MacFarlanes has over 1.5 Million of them alone. So I don't think taking a spare male and putting it with a ringneck hen is going to devastate any populations. In fact- I think by that male being with a ringneck hen will keep him active and better mannered for when I need him to breed with a hen of his own species.
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Not sure if I can remember all the way back to math class:
Red Golden X Lady Amherst cross= generation 1 is 50% (1/2)
Red Golden X 50% hen= generation 2 is 75% red golden (3/4)
Red Golden X 75% hen= generation 3 is 87.5% red golden (7/8)
Red Golden X 87.5% hen= generation 4 is 93.75% red golden (15/16)
I would say 4 years to 15/16 birds.
Not sure if I can remember all the way back to math class:
Red Golden X Lady Amherst cross= generation 1 is 50% (1/2)
Red Golden X 50% hen= generation 2 is 75% red golden (3/4)
Red Golden X 75% hen= generation 3 is 87.5% red golden (7/8)
Red Golden X 87.5% hen= generation 4 is 93.75% red golden (15/16)
I would say 4 years to 15/16 birds.
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