i can't find any info on Old english tumblers and coop tumblers!

Hmm. Not aware of "Old English" tumblers. There are English longfaced tumblers (show birds), West of England tumblers (show and flying types), Birmingham rollers (bred from tumblers of England). There are Syrian coop tumblers and turkish tumblers (takla) (they are similar). Try these names.
 
looked at the pics in strombergs old english tumblers never heard of them old dutch tumblers magpie marked do not really know what they look like west of england no i raise them
 
ohh those. English saddleback muffed tumblers. They are rare tough to breed with good marking tumbler. They were once similar to the Muffed ENglish longfaced tumbler but they are not nearly as developed because of the tough markings.

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