i dont know whats wrong with me hen ...

[cowcreekgeek]

i think it may have came from an injury cauze nothin has changed lately she is the only one that this has happened to and i have her parents thye havent done this before either aghh i pray its not contagious,k i just gave them the acv and friday i am gonna give her the epson salt oh and i looked in her mouth and nothin was n there aghhhhh!

The ACV may help all by itself, but I'd go ahead w/ the epsom salt early in the morning if she's not considerably better. If there are toxins involved, they will continue to enter her system ... the quicker they're removed, the better. A good vitamin supplement should be also given as a follow-up.

 

[moomoodiddy]

hey i thought my hen was startin to do better but today she seems to want to drown herself in her water bowl anybody know wat thats bout?

 

[cowcreekgeek]

hey i thought my hen was startin to do better but today she seems to want to drown herself in her water bowl anybody know wat thats bout?

Most probably a repeat of the same issue(s), most probably by gettin' exposed to the same toxins (algae, botulism, yellow jasmine, etc.).

• If you've stopped givin' ACV, switch all the water immediately. And, change it daily -- not just refill, but clean it, and give 'em fresh water w/ ACV in it.
• Physically check her for additional symptoms, just to be sure there's nothin' overlooked.
• Isolate her in a warm place, for her safety, as well as the flock's.
• Clean the entire area ... what you're lookin' for is algae, decaying matter/debris, dead animals or ritting meat, any vegetation you can't readily identify, and all equipment.
• Smell the bird's feathers, and her mouth -- it's ok if she doesn't smell like flower blossoms, but nake shre she desn't emit any really foul odors.
  

Be sure 'n update, once you have additional information, and I'll ckeck back in after while.

 

[moomoodiddy]

Most probably a repeat of the same issue(s), most probably by gettin' exposed to the same toxins (algae, botulism, yellow jasmine, etc.).

• If you've stopped givin' ACV, switch all the water immediately. And, change it daily -- not just refill, but clean it, and give 'em fresh water w/ ACV in it.
• Physically check her for additional symptoms, just to be sure there's nothin' overlooked.
• Isolate her in a warm place, for her safety, as well as the flock's.
• Clean the entire area ... what you're lookin' for is algae, decaying matter/debris, dead animals or ritting meat, any vegetation you can't readily identify, and all equipment.
• Smell the bird's feathers, and her mouth -- it's ok if she doesn't smell like flower blossoms, but nake shre she desn't emit any really foul odors.
  
   

Be sure 'n update, once you have additional information, and I'll ckeck back in after while.

k thanx ive been keeping her in an isolation cage in my garage and clean her pen and water daily (her water has acv and electrolytes) and when i give her her medicine i look her over real good ...sigh i really need her to get beter

 

[cowcreekgeek]

k thanx ive been keeping her in an isolation cage in my garage and clean her pen and water daily (her water has acv and electrolytes) and when i give her her medicine i look her over real good ...sigh i really need her to get beter

So, let's look a bit closer still ... how old is she, and has she ever been wormed (and, if so, w/ what), and have you ever given medicated feed (w/ amprolium). Basically? Can you run down her history for me, including environmental -- coop's age/use, how long have chickens been there, etc.

 

[moomoodiddy]

So, let's look a bit closer still ... how old is she, and has she ever been wormed (and, if so, w/ what), and have you ever given medicated feed (w/ amprolium). Basically? Can you run down her history for me, including environmental -- coop's age/use, how long have chickens been there, etc.

last yr my hen hatched her out in the fall and stayed in a 200 sq ft grass filled cage over winter until spring, since she was in a chain link she was able to go in and out but never died ummmmmm i think i wormed them one time last yr and probably need to worm again and dust and my waterers have the usual algea and i clean them out everytime i refill them ...nwhen i first saw her like this i was taking a couple of hens out of the sleeping box at night and i had 7 silkies in a smaller dog box i think someone stepped on her neck....i have had chicken ever since i was 10 and never had anything make my chickens sick...i am flabergasted!!!!

 

[cowcreekgeek]

last yr my hen hatched her out in the fall and stayed in a 200 sq ft grass filled cage over winter until spring, since she was in a chain link she was able to go in and out but never died ummmmmm i think i wormed them one time last yr and probably need to worm again and dust and my waterers have the usual algea and i clean them out everytime i refill them ...nwhen i first saw her like this i was taking a couple of hens out of the sleeping box at night and i had 7 silkies in a smaller dog box i think someone stepped on her neck....i have had chicken ever since i was 10 and never had anything make my chickens sick...i am flabergasted!!!!

The others steppin' on her neck ain't no big deal, and my birds stomp in stacks of three at time w/ nothing more than mild scuffs.

As to the worms, fenbendazole has been proven effective, and safe to 100 times the suggested dosage, with no harm. That'd probably be your best option, bein' that she's already sick.

There ain't nothin' normal about havin' algae in your waterers ... the ACV will help prevent it, but you've gotta clean 'em well enough to make certain this doesn't happen. The algae is posionous, as is the toxin from botulism bacteria ... clean things up, and get rid of decaying matter, and any maggots that may be found w/in it, as these will most likely poison your birds as well.

Keep that ACV in the water, as my theory of phasing it out for multiple days didn't work out very well for me, or about ten of my birds. Had I done a more thorough job the first bout w/ it? I'da only lost two or three.

Dry, sunny locations are obviously best for birds, but if they're in a shady spot (north sides of building, under pines, etc.), then you can reflect more sunlight into their location. Also, make sure run-off water is guided away (gutters on up-slope buildings, drainage ditches, etc.). Initially, soak your equipment in 5% bleach solution.

I know all the cleanin' takes a bit of the fun outta havin' birds, but not doin' it will likely take more than a bit of your birds.

 

[moomoodiddy]

The others steppin' on her neck ain't no big deal, and my birds stomp in stacks of three at time w/ nothing more than mild scuffs.

As to the worms, fenbendazole has been proven effective, and safe to 100 times the suggested dosage, with no harm. That'd probably be your best option, bein' that she's already sick.

There ain't nothin' normal about havin' algae in your waterers ... the ACV will help prevent it, but you've gotta clean 'em well enough to make certain this doesn't happen. The algae is posionous, as is the toxin from botulism bacteria ... clean things up, and get rid of decaying matter, and any maggots that may be found w/in it, as these will most likely poison your birds as well.

Keep that ACV in the water, as my theory of phasing it out for multiple days didn't work out very well for me, or about ten of my birds. Had I done a more thorough job the first bout w/ it? I'da only lost two or three.

Dry, sunny locations are obviously best for birds, but if they're in a shady spot (north sides of building, under pines, etc.), then you can reflect more sunlight into their location. Also, make sure run-off water is guided away (gutters on up-slope buildings, drainage ditches, etc.). Initially, soak your equipment in 5% bleach solution.

I know all the cleanin' takes a bit of the fun outta havin' birds, but not doin' it will likely take more than a bit of your birds.

do u think she may have worms

 

[cowcreekgeek]

do u think she may have worms

First suspicion is the same toxins that led folks to the wry neck (limberneck) diagnosis -- those produced by botulism and algae (see this previous post). But, there are many, to whom respect is due, that automatically dose sick birds w/ fenbendazole, due to it's being so remarkably safe, just in case ...

I'm a firm believer in verification of dosages by reviewing the abstracts of prior studies, most often found on PubMed. Like this one:

Abstract

Fenbendazole 4% (Panacur, Hoechst) administered in feed was used to treat chickens infected with Ascaridia galli, Heterakis gallinarum and Railletina spp. It was also used to treat Syngamus trachea in broiler birds. There was a marked drop in helminth egg counts in the faeces on the second day of treatment and the faeces became negative by the seventh day after the last treatment. Post-mortem examination 15 to 21 days later showed that the drug was 100% effective against Ascaridia galli and Heterakis gallinarum at 10 mg/kg. However, for complete removal of Railletina spp. 15 mg/kg was required. Similarly 20 mg/kg fenbendazole was effective against Syngamus trachea. It was concluded that fenbendazole is suitable for the treatment of the important intestinal and tracheal worms of poultry, a dose of 15 to 20 mg/kg for 3 consecutive days being recommended for use under field conditions.

With that, and the details about this treatment outlined w/in the "Solutions Used for Poultry" link in my signature, in which they report producing no adverse reactions at dosages 100 times those suggested, I'm quite confident that 20 mg/kg of fenbendazole would be perfectly safe for any bird.

But, if she's improving by only the ACV and removal, then I'd still suspect a repeat intoxification, but that's just the opinions of this simple plowboy ~'-)

 

[moomoodiddy]

First suspicion is the same toxins that led folks to the wry neck (limberneck) diagnosis -- those produced by botulism and algae (see this previous post). But, there are many, to whom respect is due, that automatically dose sick birds w/ fenbendazole, due to it's being so remarkably safe, just in case ...

I'm a firm believer in verification of dosages by reviewing the abstracts of prior studies, most often found on PubMed. Like this one:


With that, and the details about this treatment outlined w/in the "Solutions Used for Poultry" link in my signature, in which they report producing no adverse reactions at dosages 100 times those suggested, I'm quite confident that 20 mg/kg of fenbendazole would be perfectly safe for any bird.

But, if she's improving by only the ACV and removal, then I'd still suspect a repeat intoxification, but that's just the opinions of this simple plowboy ~'-)

im gonna worm her