I need help and a second/third opinion... GOAT people!!

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Anyone out there raise Saanens?

I bought a beautiful Saanen doeling from a breeder on May 18th. The doeling is 18 weeks old right now and has a heart girth measurment of 25 3/4" putting her at weighing around 66 pounds on the goat table thingy.
This is my first time raising goats. I am just getting into it.
I e-mailed the breeder yesterday asking her simply what the signs of goat heat were because originally she told me that Bella could bred anytime after 90lbs and I am using her stud, so I wanted to get used to looking for the signs when she's ready to go into heat.
I get a response from her telling me what to look for but that I need to be prepared to not breed her because her two sisters (she was a triplet) are growing well, but look small breeding wise.
I responded to her that I certainly hope she only means that she cannot be bred this year, and not forever.
I am now a mess and don't know what to do. I don't know the proper growth for Saanens because these are my first goats. But I personally feel that a 18 week old doe at 66 pounds isn't bad.
If I can never breed her then I will need to sell her because I cannot have animals on the farm who don't contribute in some way. I am attached to this doe. Who wouldn't be, it being my first.
I am wondering if she is simply trying to get her back from me to keep or resell her to someone for a higher amount. I was told not a month ago, that her two sisters were appraised and are very valuable goats and that Bella is worth much more than I paid for her ($150).
This breeder has strung me along I think. When I originally contacted her early this year I was looking for Nigerians. I went out to see and put a deposit on two Nigi does. While there I fell in love with a older Saanen doeling whom I was told was for sale for $150. I was swayed by their milk capacity and instead of the two Nigis I went out their for, put a deposit on one Nigi and the super friendly Saanen doeling.
Two weeks before I am supposed to go pick up my new goats, I get an e-mail from the breeder telling me that her daughter has changed her mind and wants to keep the Saanen that I put the deposit on. Instead she offers me a 10 week old Saanen doeling from a triplet kidding, as they wouldn't need 3 doelings from the same lines like that.
I reluctantly agreed as I felt bad for the kid who was attached to the doe I put a deposit on.
In this time, she also talks me out of the other Nigi I had a deposit on, and into the dam of the doeling I was taking, telling me that I cannot bring her home until she is done being shown, this October. But that I can bring home the 10 week old Doeling now.
Okay, they put me in a bind. Cannot have just one goat... She offers to loan me a 5 month old Nigi doeling until the older Saanen doe can come home to keep the little doeling company. Great. I bring my goats home. All is well.
Then I am hit with this today. I don't know what to think. She seems to like changing her mind and trying to change mine and because she's a breeder, I have trusted her because I am new to goats. Now I am starting to question whether I should trust her or not.
 
Did I mention that while there the very first time I fell and broke my ankle in her goat paddock?
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What a mess this has been. We know she knocked some money off the doeling because of that...
 
I was told not to breed my doelings until they're 8-9 months old. If yours don't put on 24lbs in 4 months, i'd be quite surprised, and worried about her breeding stock.
 
Let me start by saying I do not own goats, although I would like a couple in the next few years. So I do not know the answer to your question. The reason I am responding is to give you this link. I have been using it for research so I know what to expect and to learn about goats, and if you look through it, it may have your answer. Also it will provide you with a resource about raising, caring for (etc) your goats. I hope it helps!!

http://www.fiascofarm.com/goats/index.htm

Hopefully someone can give you a quick answer though
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Oh I didn't mean you should be worried! I meant I think it would be highly unlikely that she is not big enough to breed. She sounds like a nutcase to me.
 
Right Cara, I am worried about dealing with the breeder, not the doeling....
Technically she still has a goat that belongs to me, so I am stuck dealing with her for a while longer.
 
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PINE BURROW PEEP'S No# one , find your self another Vender .... However a Sannen has the best personality and is the best Milker of all breeds , I have had (have) them all .... ( Compare to a Holstien Cow) BUT 18 weeks is far too soon to breed !!! She will be too small to deliver !!! One year old is Ideal , In August and Sept . is normal breeding time , altho some will breed anytime , Hense , far too young ..... Have questions ? Write to me at , [email protected] ....... ALAN B .
 
Alan,
I am certainly NOT talking about breeding her at 18 weeks!
The breeder was informing me that she didn't think I should breed her either at all in her life or just this year in general based on the growth of her other two sisters born in her kidding. But my main question was whether she was on the mark growth wise for her age?

To recap; the doeling is 18 weeks old, with a heart girth measurment of 25 3/4" putting her at around 66 pounds on the goat weight chart. Is that what you would consider to be small for 18 weeks?
I think she looks great and feel that by November/December when I was planning to breed her that she should easily be 80+ pounds at 9-10 months of age, no? This breeder told me right from the get go that she usually breeds at 90 pounds. Yet she is suddenly crossing her out at only 5 months old when she hasn't personally seen her.
 
I agree, the lady sounds
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AND, i also think shes trying to play you like a fool because you are new to all this.
 

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