I REALIZE THIS IS A POULTRY SITE BUT!

[Bleenstar]

I prevent the problem before it happends, as a ethologist I think I know what I'm doing

lol but for a living I'm an electrition... go figure xD


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Oblio13 , I'm just saying what I know ^^; we did alot of studies on domesticated animals as well as animals in their natural habitiat. We studied cases that has dog attacks and took those dogs and succesfully rehabilated them. I wont say those things unless I'm sure. We have never found a case where a dog killed a human intentionally. Then again everything I have said is based on my personal experiance, research and opinion. I am not certifide to give any instruction on how to indentify a dog.

 

[joebryant]

I have two dogs myself, and if either were a threat to other dogs or people in my neighborhood, I'd have them put down.
The post you made reference to also mentioned this incident:
"Here is a history on the dogs. They have previously attacked and killed one pet dog in the neighborhood and attacked and wounded two others. The dogs that were attacked by these monsters were all in their own yards minding their own business. ", and then went on to say that other incidences had happened and the well-to-do owners paid for damages and went on with their bad behavior.
Sorry, under those circumstances, for everyone's safety and the safety of their own dogs and other animals, I would shoot the dogs myself if they came around bothering my dogs or chickens, but only because THE OWNER IS OUT OF CONTROL, and I wouldn't be allowed to shoot HIM.

 

[deerman]

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Well there was a case here in Ohio. A man went to a house because he ran out of gas. They found him dead killed by the farm dogs Yes they had been feeding on him.

Now if thats wasnt intentionally????

The risk is to great to keep dogs like that.

Like my other post were I had to pull one off of a 2 yr. old boy. He was just walking in his yard when he was attack.


Have had more birds and livestock kill by dogs than any other animal.

If the owners cant keep them up, I will put them down!!

 

[Just-Like-Hatching]

I love dogs. But, there is a .270 by the door for those unwanted visitors that want to bother my dogs or chickens. You keep your dogs on your land and I will keep mine on mine. You don't keep your dog on your land and it visits mine. Your loss, not mine.

 

[Oblio13]

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I had to look up "ethologist". (To save the rest of you a trip to the dictionary, it's a scientist who studies animal behavior.)

One of my friends when I was a kid was pulled off his bike and killed by dogs. A quick Google search shows 18 fatal dog attacks in the US so far this year, 40 in 2007, 26 in 2006, 29 in 2005. The owners are usually shocked - shocked - that their Fido would show aggression.

If it's your position that all those were "unintentional", what definition of "intentional" are you using?

Dogs are large predators. Most problem dogs come from owners who are in denial about that and allow them to become confused about their hierarchy in the world.

 

[jenni2142]

i love dogs, always have. i love my chickens and take precautions like a good strong coop and fencing. i also have a 15 year old daughter in a wheelchair, some dogs don't like spinning wheels. do i lock her up because other people don't take care of their dogs? do i allow her zero independence on my property because of fear? strange dog that i don't know comes on my property do i stop and ask it if it has just not been trained properly? how can i tell? it's not worth the risk.
if i catch a dog going after, doesn't have to have killed or even injured a chicken, sheriff and animal control say if i don't kill it they will, after the dog sits around in a cage for a few days while the paperwork is done. they are too overrun with animal to rehabilitate. IMO we need tougher laws to punish these idiots who don't care for their animals but i will not take chances with my children.

 

[the1much]

anyone who thinks they've stopped EVERY possible scenario before it happens , dreams too much,, its NOT possible. and ANYONE that allows ANY animal to harm the animals you took RESPONSIBILITY to care for should be locked up for animal cruelty. < and that HAS been challenged in court, and , and it IS considered cruelty.

 

[Chickenfortress]

Animals instinctually protect their territories from outside animals occupying the same ecological niche. It's a part of nature. Those that don't are likely to not survive, or be driven from their territories as an invader makes it their own. The invader knows the score, and sets things to their natural right. The strong control/consume the resources.

in this case...
The chicken owner is the territory owner/defender
the chicken is the resource
the dogs, coons, minks, etc. are the invaders

If you don't protect your resources, then they belong to something else. Dogs understand fences and yards. They know the moment you go from approaching their territory to entering it, and their behavior changes at that point. Go ahead, enter a strange dogs yard, and stay there. See if it "lets you do what you do", or kills you. If you think you aren't an animal, and don't have a place in nature, why are you made of meat? Given time I could formulate this arguement more efficiently, but I just woke. Besides, most of the feel gooders are thinking with their hearts, not their heads, and thus can't be swayed by logic.

That said, I will certainly kill invaders that show they are a threat to my resources.

 

[Mom 2em All]

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I read intently the first four pages and then skimmed the last few- my apologies if someone else has already said this:
I havent seen a post yet that acknowledges bad breeding. Puppy mills and backyard breeders that just breed to breed, to make money, to have puppies, "fill in blank"- change the desirable characteristics of a breed.

My father paid 700 dollars for a golden retriever puppy for my kids. She was vicious. She bit my daughter repeatedly, and every chance she got. My daughter was eight months old. She couldnt even walk- and the pup was NOT playing. I know the difference between sharp puppy play and an actual "biting to be aggressive" dog. I never had the two unsupervised together- I am talking about puppy and child in the same room, with me- puppy growling and snarling and if baby got too close- charging and biting. Not puppy play.I rehomed her at 16 weeks to a woman with no children and told her exactly why I was rehoming her. If I hadn't found her a child-free home, I would have euthanized her.

There are too many wonderful nonaggressive, non-issue laden dogs out there needing a home to keep one with aggressive tendencies alive.

My fathers advice for this aggressive pup? BEAT HER WITH A BELT. That is what he advised me to do. I knew better- you don't treat aggression with aggression and hope to rehab something.

That said- and in regards to those animals that kill other animals, I am sure there are some that could misinterpret and attack children.

I currently own a miniature killer. A weiner dog that has killed many hamsters, baby rabbits, and she killed nine of my baby chickens in a couple seconds. She didn't kill them to eat them. Had she done that, I would have been able to save the rest. She killed nine in the time it took for me to hear the commotion from the front of my house and to run to the back of the house. Bit them all through the head. She is a proven killer, and sleeps with my daughter every single night. I don't worry about her attacking my daughter one day. Different style of killing. The two circumstances are in no way similar. However, dogs that are poorly bred, or poorly trained or have a fear aggression or a "chase" aggression may have triggers that would make them chase and attack a human child.

 

[Jennym]

All I have is one word " LEASH LAWS"