I REALIZE THIS IS A POULTRY SITE BUT!

[wischickenlover]

Tackyrama,

It seems clear to me that you have never seen a pet chicken torn to pieces by a dog who just kills to kill. Not for food, but just for fun. For many people on here, our chickens are pets, just as anyone's cat, dog, etc., and we love them just the same. If you had a coyote wander into your yard and began tearing your DOG to shreds, you mean to tell me you wouldn't shoot the coyote to protect YOUR pet? C'mon! Unfortunately, I have seen first hand the destruction of dogs who are just "doing what comes naturally". Have you? We love our chickens as anyone else loves their pets-they have their quirks and personalities just the same. And we have the RIGHT to protect our pets, just as you have the right to protect your's. Like I said, dogs kill for the fun of it-hardly ever for food. Sorry, but I will NEVER stand back and let anyone's dog chase, terrorize, and kill my pets. Just wondering, but have you ever seen the destruction of a dog to chickens first hand??? Unfortunately I have. Please do not judge!

 

[kwynn's birds Alaska]

bleenstar...there is also a case up here about a dog that attacked and killed a girl, I think she was 6.

 

[redhen]

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OK, I'm assuming you are referring to my post. Thank you for your sympathy.

Those of us that think the dogs should be put down don't take it lightly. Most of us have dogs and love them dearly. The dogs in question have not only killed chickens. In the the past they have gotten loose and killed or injured other dogs. A pomeranian was ripped apart in his own yard and killed by them. A Lhasa Apso suffered bite wounds and bruising from them in his own yard. A mixed breed was seriously wounded and nearly died when attacked by them in his own yard. Yes, the original problem is the people that own the dog. But keep in mind that these dogs are a problem now too. It shouldn't matter what type of pet is killed. If a dog is savage and goes on brutal killing sprees, it has to be stopped. You may not think that a chicken shouldn't take precedence over a dog, but why should these dogs take precedence over my chickens?

Also, we should use our sensibilities and not confuse the issue. Nobody was complaining about noise. The chickens were on my property and the dogs were off theirs. The only wandering involved was the dogs'.

Chickens are not only domesticated dinner. They are also domesticated pets. If you don't belief that, go to a poultry show. If they were strictly dinner, we wouldn't have some of the beautiful ornamental birds we have. Dogs do have hunting instincts, but when the domesticated hunter is out of control, something has to be done. Since we can't remove the owners, we only have the option of removing the dog. Also, when the domesticated hunter is indulging his nature to kill, and a small child panics and tries to save a beloved pet from from the beast, is it OK for the hunter to also indulge in his instinct to guard his prey and attack the child? I guarantee that will eventually happen if these dogs aren't stopped. I thank God that my neighbor's grandson wasn't in the yard or in the coop petting and feeding the birds when this happened. When he visits his grandpa on weekends, he comes to see the birds. I keep a stash of corn in a place he can get to so he can throw them treats. That child could have been in the middle of this if it happened on a Saturday instead of a Thursday. Think about it. This is a tragedy waiting to happen. The lives of those dogs do not take precedence over the rights of people and other pets to live safely.

Go ahead and be angry. That's your right. We all have freedom of speech and the right to our own opinions. But please don't think that others don't have a right to be angry that their chickens are slaughtered. BTW the way I'm glad that you mention that our chickens are precious, because they are just as precious as any other pet. My chickens are obviously more precious to me than marauding dogs are to their irresonsible owners. If those owners actually valued and loved their pets, they would be managed and kept on their own property.

Yes, stuff happens. Sometimes difficult decisions have to made. Sometimes dangerous animals have to be put down. Sometimes bad owners have to be prosecuted. So take a deep breath and realize that sometimes we have to do what we have to do. It's just unfortunate that some owners of domesticated hunters don't take responsibility, and they force others to have to make hard decisions and take action. And it is only common sense to realise that the lives of these dogs are not more valuable than what they have taken or are capable of taking in the future. If your dog is precious to you, keep it in your own yard. Problem solved.

Thank you for your gracious post. I am truly sad for you. I thought I made it clear that I do not condone marauding dogs. I do not. Putting them down is often the only answer. I have put down dogs in my lifetime. Wild animals are another matter. In this age of endangered and protected species we really have to balance the scales. What is more important? A chicken although loved and cherished can be easily replaced. A predator, say a peregrine falcon, is almost priceless and cannot be replaced at almost any price.

Tacky..What about a bear that is coming into your yard and killing your chickens. or dogs..? i'm just curious as to what you would suggest people to do?
i personally think there is a differance..if a dog is coming in the yard..there is really no reason to kill it..call the local authorities..make the owner pay..and sue the crap outta him...MAKE him be responsible for his dogs!!!!..or he will get the dogs taken away...where they will be re-homed or put down humanely..
but a wild animal..who can you call? who will come pick up a huge bear....or a racoon or fox, or like for my problem, coyotes?...i understand what you are saying though....i aslo feel bad for the wild animals!..they have no land..they are starving!..or they would NOT get so close to us...it breaks my heart....but, again, what can people do about wild animals?...

 

[horsejody]

Quote:
OK, I'm assuming you are referring to my post. Thank you for your sympathy.

Those of us that think the dogs should be put down don't take it lightly. Most of us have dogs and love them dearly. The dogs in question have not only killed chickens. In the the past they have gotten loose and killed or injured other dogs. A pomeranian was ripped apart in his own yard and killed by them. A Lhasa Apso suffered bite wounds and bruising from them in his own yard. A mixed breed was seriously wounded and nearly died when attacked by them in his own yard. Yes, the original problem is the people that own the dog. But keep in mind that these dogs are a problem now too. It shouldn't matter what type of pet is killed. If a dog is savage and goes on brutal killing sprees, it has to be stopped. You may not think that a chicken shouldn't take precedence over a dog, but why should these dogs take precedence over my chickens?

Also, we should use our sensibilities and not confuse the issue. Nobody was complaining about noise. The chickens were on my property and the dogs were off theirs. The only wandering involved was the dogs'.

Chickens are not only domesticated dinner. They are also domesticated pets. If you don't belief that, go to a poultry show. If they were strictly dinner, we wouldn't have some of the beautiful ornamental birds we have. Dogs do have hunting instincts, but when the domesticated hunter is out of control, something has to be done. Since we can't remove the owners, we only have the option of removing the dog. Also, when the domesticated hunter is indulging his nature to kill, and a small child panics and tries to save a beloved pet from from the beast, is it OK for the hunter to also indulge in his instinct to guard his prey and attack the child? I guarantee that will eventually happen if these dogs aren't stopped. I thank God that my neighbor's grandson wasn't in the yard or in the coop petting and feeding the birds when this happened. When he visits his grandpa on weekends, he comes to see the birds. I keep a stash of corn in a place he can get to so he can throw them treats. That child could have been in the middle of this if it happened on a Saturday instead of a Thursday. Think about it. This is a tragedy waiting to happen. The lives of those dogs do not take precedence over the rights of people and other pets to live safely.

Go ahead and be angry. That's your right. We all have freedom of speech and the right to our own opinions. But please don't think that others don't have a right to be angry that their chickens are slaughtered. BTW the way I'm glad that you mention that our chickens are precious, because they are just as precious as any other pet. My chickens are obviously more precious to me than marauding dogs are to their irresonsible owners. If those owners actually valued and loved their pets, they would be managed and kept on their own property.

Yes, stuff happens. Sometimes difficult decisions have to made. Sometimes dangerous animals have to be put down. Sometimes bad owners have to be prosecuted. So take a deep breath and realize that sometimes we have to do what we have to do. It's just unfortunate that some owners of domesticated hunters don't take responsibility, and they force others to have to make hard decisions and take action. And it is only common sense to realise that the lives of these dogs are not more valuable than what they have taken or are capable of taking in the future. If your dog is precious to you, keep it in your own yard. Problem solved.

Thank you for your gracious post. I am truly sad for you. I thought I made it clear that I do not condone marauding dogs. I do not. Putting them down is often the only answer. I have put down dogs in my lifetime. Wild animals are another matter. In this age of endangered and protected species we really have to balance the scales. What is more important? A chicken although loved and cherished can be easily replaced. A predator, say a peregrine falcon, is almost priceless and cannot be replaced at almost any price.

I have never seen a post on this board where somebody killed a peregrine falcon. People have said sss in obvious jest, but most falcon/hawk posts discuss deterents and calling the game warden. BTW none of my pets are easily replaced. And your post did appear to have an issue with other posters recommending putting the dogs down.

edited because I forget to proofread

 

[deerman]

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YOU HAVE MY VOTE!!!

Dogs have been domesticated dinner for thousands of years also.

Like to see how you would feel if a animal was coming on your place killing your dogs.

 

[the1much]

i wouldnt even sell an egg to someone that i thought wouldnt protect them,, from ANY pred.

 

[Bleenstar]

My cat kills too...rats n stuff, the way she does it is kinda..cruel...she grabs the head and use her back legs to scrap the guts out......my dogs just stare at the rat wonder if they should go bite it then it would run at it...then run back because the rat would move...


like i said, i KNOW theres such thing as dogs killing people, but i still havnt seen them do it intentionally...its always from neglect, abuse, protectiveness, confusion.


and again i'm not saying dont put down any dogs at all! just give them a chance...because they can be trained.

and i thought we are in america...lol we domesticated dogs for dinner?

horsejody, sorry i'm not trying to make you angry or offend you. In your case I know its prob better of for the dogs to be put down as I said in my previous post, just letting people know, dogs should be taken care of before they act out in aggression.



Edit: is it me or is it getting hot in here

I think I should stop posting lol

 

[redhen]

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right!.....i know that for me..all i am saying is....make the guy pay for those dogs actions!..NOT make the dogs pay..do you understand what i am trying to say?..i would freak out if a dog(mine included) got onto my chickens..but, i wouldnt harm my dogs or neighbors dog cause of it....i would lock my dogs up better.. or go after the people that owned the dogs..not the dogs themselves...cause the dogs dont know any better...but the people do......

 

[Bleenstar]

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right!.....i know that for me..all i am saying is....make the guy pay for those dogs actions!..NOT make the dogs pay..do you understand what i am trying to say?..i would freak out if a dog(mine included) got onto my chickens..but, i wouldnt harm my dogs or neighbors dog cause of it....i would lock my dogs up better.. or go after the people that owned the dogs..not the dogs themselves...cause the dogs dont know any better...but the people do......

*high five* ?? sorry I posted nuuuu

 

[wyliefarms]

Bleenstar:

Earlier this year a group of dogs (owned by one person) killed two people in our community. One was a 90year old man sitting in his yard enjoying the weather. The other was a lady walking down the road the man lived on. She lived a few hours and passed away at the hospital.

The owner of the dogs isn't sentenced yet but she will get 18 months to 4 years (I believe) for the 2 deaths that her dogs did. Not nearly long enough in my opinion!

She had a total of 10 dogs, all the same breed, a bull dog or pit bull type. They all got put down, even though only 4 of they were involved the authorities said.

A month or so later:
Another group of dogs went into a barn and attacked a horse in its stall. The owner heard the noise at 6:30am and shot and killed the dogs. The horse was so badly injured that it had to be put down.

Both of these owners denyed that there dogs did the crime. Even with all the evidence. (blood on them #1!)

In my opinion if you are going to have an animal/pet then you must take care of it or pay for its actions.