I reject your facts... Or, my how time changes opinions.

Scooby308

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So I was on a quest to start out with chickens nearly 8 years ago. I grew up on various farms from horses to cattle to sheep. Had a great understanding of those animals but I had never been around chickens other than folks I worked for. So I started doing my research and came across the breeds I wanted. Originally the plan was for Barred Rocks and Buff Orps. Kept researching and found this forum. Now, I wanted to do everything right. Healthy birds for meat and eggs and a good life for the birds. There was info overload…and the arguments. You should only do this and not that. And I tell you, I nearly said forget it. This is going to cost too much and be too labor intensive to make it a go. But I kept on. Then life happened. I suffered a spinal injury and was told I would never work again. Well, it took 5 years but I made it back into the workforce and we got somewhat back to normal financially. Then a neighbor down the road said take these birds for free…then a son in law did the same…. So I came back to this site to gain information that I had forgotten. What a difference a few years makes…Below are some of the things that I have noticed. Not saying any are right or wrong, but the pendulum has swung.


It’s so funny to read that DE is not the be all cure all. When I first decided to get into chickens, DE was considered to be a miracle. I never quite understood how it would work internally (I mean, being dry then subjecting it to a wet environment of a gut) seemed counterproductive. That said, I had used it in the past on other livestock and dusting horse barns. It does seem to work on fly larva. Now folks are meh on the stuff.


ACV was pretty much the same. Great stuff that cures anything that ails you. Then I come back all these years later and meh. I personally use ACV in my own body for replenishment. I do not give it to my layers but did to pullets and cockerels that I just got that were less than ideal. I do think there are certain benefits to ACV.


Fodder was another must! If you didn’t feed fodder then you were just neglecting your birds’ health. Now, meh.


Fermented Feeds were once again a must. It would meet all the heath needs and if you didn’t do it then you just didn’t love your birds. Now, there is a growing group that questions how well FF works.


And back in the day if you fed any kind of straight up chicken feed from a store that you didn’t mix yourself from all natural ingredients, no soy, GMO free, etc, then you were just murdering your birds. Flat out killing them. Now, when I read folks using Purina Flock Raiser and it is accepted widely…well, this ain’t what everyone said 5 years ago.


So go out and do your research…but just be aware that research and opinions can get intertwined. Raise your birds the best you can, enjoy them, and be happy.
 
You will still find that there are huge variations in husbandry methods no matter what year it is.

Housing.
Feed: organic, run of the mill, whole grain, fermented, straight out of the bag. Layer pellets for the whole flock or multi flock with added oyster shell
To worm or not to worm.
To cull or not to cull.
Free range some times, all the time, or not at all.
Supplemental light or not.
Heat lamp raised, broody raised, or MHP raised chicks.

As many differing opinions as there are chicken keepers.

You are right in your last statement. Do your research, back it up with personal experience. Stand by your convictions and don't change your policy unless research, personal experience or your heart tells you otherwise. Realize that no matter what you do, some one will find fault with it. So, know what you're doing and why you're doing it. To the fault finders, you can reply: Thanks, but I'll do it my way.

Enjoy your flock.
 
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And here I've been having a nice bowl of DE with ACV and a side of fodder every day for breakfast for the last 8 years! :p

The one I always get a chuckle over is "no more than 10% of the diet being non-chicken feed/treats". I always picture someone out in the run with a scale or counting leftover peas..."9, 9 1/2, 10%, 10 1/2 %...too much!" :D
 
And here I've been having a nice bowl of DE with ACV and a side of fodder every day for breakfast for the last 8 years! :p

The one I always get a chuckle over is "no more than 10% of the diet being non-chicken feed/treats". I always picture someone out in the run with a scale or counting leftover peas..."9, 9 1/2, 10%, 10 1/2 %...too much!" :D


You must have a very healthy gut.

When you state it that way, it points out some of the folly of "b/c they say so" that gets repeated, but really does not make a lot of sense. However, for the person who loves to toss scratch grains b/c the birds really like scratch, it does slow down the overfeeding a bit.
 
...I was on a quest to start out with chickens... 8 years ago..../ So I came back to this site to gain information that I had forgotten. What a difference a few years makes… Below are some of the things that I have noticed.... but the pendulum has swung... It’s... funny to read that DE is not the be all cure all. When I first decided to get into chickens, DE was considered to be a miracle. I never quite understood how it would work internally... Fermented Feeds were once again a must... Now, there is a growing group that questions how well FF works.... back in the day if you fed any kind of straight up chicken feed... no soy, GMO free, etc, then you were just murdering your birds.... do your research…but... opinions [as well as facts] can get intertwined. Raise your birds the best you can, enjoy them, and be happy.

What has changed is that today there are more adults (sorry about having to say that) and these people who have kept chickens (often for multiple decades) are now weighing in with their considerable experience. But that doesn't change the fact that your chickens are your chickens and treat them as such.
 
However, for the person who loves to toss scratch grains b/c the birds really like scratch, it does slow down the overfeeding a bit.
Guilty; I was one and got many soft shells, even while feeding a Layers feed.
I learned quickly by reading on BYC to limit treats to 10%, and cut the amount of scratch in half, a smaller scoop. Still treating them twice a day, only half as much scattered over a wide area on top of straw in their pen. 20180621_164222.jpg .
Keeps them busy digging during the day, till I let them free range an hour before sunset daily. Weather permitting. GC
 
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@lazy gardener OMG I do love that MHP(40w) vs 250w lightbulb. I will never claim I use best practices just good enough practices.

My poor abused chickens drink water and I don't add either diddly or squat to it. I don't believe in spreading carcinogenic DE to their coop, just throw in hay. I must be the worst keeper in history and they free range unsupervised all day. Truth is here a 50 pound bag of feed lasts me way too long.

If you think about it each bird should be eating .25 pounds of feed .25x7x30=52.5, yeah mine don't do 50+ pounds/month on the feed bill. Definately I am not saying my way is right but my birds seem well enough how they are going. I am certainly not attacking anyone as I am still screwing up a lot on my own. In 10 years I might be an authority like others in this post but I am not there now nor am I seeing any alarm signs that my practices are horrid.
 
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