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I understand the business analysis, but man cornish x feel wrong!

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no, economics was not my major, i won't lie. but my chickens cost me one initial investment to get set up with, and are very low cost from then on. i buy them about $20 of feed a month, from my next door neighbor who runs a feed store (convenient!) and then supplement with free stuff like weeds, bugs, grass and whatever's around the property. my roommate works in a kitchen where she brings home free kitchen scraps all the time. their hay is recycled from the goat stalls, and then later it becomes compost. i can't really think of much else we spend money on for them.

how is this worse than buying a whole bunch of CX at the same time (otherwise buying small numbers with shipping costs defeat their value), raising them, spending a bunch of money all at once for a bunch of starter food, then needing to keep them all frozen until use? and i'd have to put them in a separate freezer to store many more than 5 or so at once. i can afford small monthly expenses over long periods of time. i can't afford big expenses in short periods of time. this is why bank loans and mortgages exist, even though the borrowers end up losing money in the long-term which is technically "not economical" for them, but it's what they can afford to do.

anyway. every person's situation is different, and this is what works for me.


ETA - also, the money issue wasn't my original point anyway. that was kind of a tangent. again, i originally said that i basically approve of the CXs, i just wish they could be bred at home. if breeding your own birds couldn't be made profitable somehow, the hatcheries wouldn't do it. that's why they don't sell the parent lines, so that you can't breed your own, so that they don't lose their profit. am i wrong to think that the hatcheries probably have to keep some breeding stock over winter? i'm sure hatching is low profit, but when you buy/sell in BULK, that's what makes the money. i'm not buying/selling in bulk. and if something bad ever were to happen to the bulk, it would be nice if there was a backup option.

The point is that we are trying to make is that in the long run you are going to save money by raising the CX. You said yourself you have no reason for not liking them except that you can't breed them. Well, even if you could... you wouldn't want the responsibility of caring for them nor would you want to pay the feed bill. Trust me, keeping a sustainable flock is hard to do and more work and money than it's worth. It's only worth it unless you get enjoyment from it.... and if you value the taste of a DP. It really has no cost benefit by keeping your own flock.

Could you... yes... Should you? That's up to you. Is it cost effective.... No. For the amount of meat that you get from a DP compared to a CX is night and day. If you're worried about saving money you would be better off getting some CX's. What you do is find a local farmer and piggy back on his/her order and just buy five at a time. You're looking at $10.00 for chicks and two bags of feed at $14.00 / bag. So a total of $38.00 for 5 birds... that's less than $8.00 / bird for some really good meat. Not to mention those numbers are crazy high but better to be conservative.

Not trying to change anything and do respect your beliefs... just don't want you to think they are out of reach just because you can't breed them in your backyard.... for what it's worth... you can actually breed the CX. I have and have had good results crossing them with a DP bird. The offspring have had amazing size to them and good growth rates. But from experience, it's cheaper to buy a few CX chicks.
 
i appreciate your view, but it feels like you're arguing against points that i didn't even make. i'm not making the classic anti-CX remarks, and i've already said that i have a small flock of DP birds that i do enjoy keeping, which does NOT cost me very much and isn't much work. if i could keep and breed CX's as needed, i probably would add some to my flock. but for me, it's not ALL about the meat. it's not ALL about the cost-effectiveness. i just don't like having to rely 100% on someone else for my stock. i like having options and being somewhat in control of my own livestock... i realize disease is everywhere and nothing is ever guaranteed, but that's exactly what backup options are for. and if i bring in new chicks every 2 months from outside sources, that seems like poor biosecurity anyway, risking my permanent flock more than is necessary. and i do like having birds year-round. i count part of my "cost-effectiveness" in other terms besides profit/loss. birds year round = less fertilizer to buy; birds on horrible fallow dandelion fields = free weeding and i can have garden beds there next year without pulling up an entire acre by myself; birds in the backyard = fewer ticks and fieldmice. birds in general = free entertainment, since i don't get that fancy HBO or whatever.
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how do you quantify that in terms of dollars?

to clarify, i don't think CX are "out of reach" for me. i think they're less than ideal for my personal, current needs in their sum total, even if i'm technically paying slightly more PER POUND to have my DPs. but again, for me, there's more variables than just the meat.

that said, i am intrigued to hear that you managed to get some of yours to breed with decent results. i've always heard that it's difficult to get them to even live that long, let alone actually physically being able to breed, and even if they managed that, then they still wouldn't produce the same quality meat in their offspring even so. ... btw, y'know, if you've had your CX breed with good results, and i said in my original post that non-breeding was my problem with CXs, why didn't you just say THAT in the first place?
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THAT was my whole point! not the cost-effectiveness or whatever. we could've avoided an entire misunderstanding/argument/thing.
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Greetings, Just read many of the posts on this thread. I'm thinking of getting a few CX for layers. One person on this thread said they are great layers and our roo would see to it the eggs are fertile.

I read also mention of Sears selling chicks. We use to get chicks from Sears. How much do you think they were sold for?
The were 1 cent each at times there were times we paid as high as 2 cents. They came in two foot square cardboard box about 6" tall, devided into four sections remember that?
 
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You have to find out when the trucks that deliver them come near where you live. I think you have to buy a flat af like 150 eggs minimum or something like that. In Oregon they deliver to Pendlton and Hillsboro for all the hatcheries unless you are Foster Farms or Tyson. They mostly come from Texas.
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really? i didn't know that. where can you buy eggs from? i wouldn't want a bunch all at the same time, but good to know for future reference.
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So what specifically feels nasty?
I feel sorry for the birds trying to free range, and running out from the tractor flapping their wings and eating two bites off a leaf before sitting back on their belly exhausted.

If you came to the pasture where I run my CX, that is not what you would see in my tractors. When I move the tractors, my birds go after the folage like white on rice. Even after i refill the feeders, there are always several of them that pass on the feed and continue to eat up the clover/grass hay. By the next day, all you will find is stems. This weekend I moved a batch of 3 weeks olds to the pasture. Within 10 minutes, they where already scratching and munching on whatever they cold find.

Meanwhile, my seven 2-yr old free ranging heritage breed hens crank out 6 eggs a day for 11 straight days (after 2 years-wow!), while barely eating their Layena or WATER!

So if you were to butcher these 2 year old hens, would they have a nice long, thick breast and a meaty leg quarter after 2 years of growth? I would like to reiterate that layers and CX are not comparable.

These cornish x dropping dead for no reason just feels icky, right?

Wrong. They do not just die for no reason. The reasons may include overfeeding, not the correct nutrition, or may be sick from poor managment. I found a 2 year old DP rooster dead in the coop the other day. Is it safe to say he died for no reason? Of course not. Just because you don't know the reason, doesn't mean there isn't one.

It's posts like this that turn people off the CX. If you raise them and have problems, dig into it and find out what caused the problem. Don't go blaming it on the breed. Sorry if I sound brash in this responce, but it burns my rear when this type of misinformation is posted.

There, now I feel better.​

I completely agree.​
 
I just processed 20 CX. We lost one. I can see both sides of the issue.

Yes, they are big, smelly poop machines. They eat a lot and don't move around a lot. I forced them to free range, making them go outside for a while, because all they really want to do is sit and eat.

But they were well cared for and happy. I spent a lot of time with them, making sure they were happy. The meat ratio is fantastic; they had the biggest breasts and legs I've ever seen. I figure that compared to a commercial grower, they were raised humanely.
 

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