I want to show chickens

[gojira]

Could be shown, yes, if you managed to get a bird that looks like SOP.

My personal standpoint is that counts as cheating. To me, shows are a showcase for YOUR breeding productions and a helpful guide for going as close as possible to SOP. Showing a genetic mutt for the sake of a scrap of ribbon is not what the fancy is about. Just my 2c.

So the breeders that make crosses and show the progeny of those crosses are doing wrong in your mind? Actually, that is how the fancy started, amd how it continues to operate. Exhibition poultry is about aesthetics, not lineage. In this case, an Easter Egger would be the result of breeding, and would be shown to see how close it comes to the SOP.

 

[gojira]

Yes. So it could not be shown as an ameracauna because it is not one. Even if it looks like one

Remember purebred poultry is about looks, not lineage. So why could it not be shown as an Ameraucana? For the inverse, if two varieties of Ameraucanas are crossed, the chicks are Easter Eggers.

 

[BantyChooks]

So the breeders that make crosses and show the progeny of those crosses are doing wrong in your mind? Actually, that is how the fancy started, amd how it continues to operate. Exhibition poultry is about aesthetics, not lineage. In his case, an Easter Egger would be the result of breeding, and would be shown to see how close it comes to the SOP.

Breeders showing birds that had two parents of one breed as another breed just to win are what I don't agree with, personally. Like I said, I think showing poultry should be an exhibition of your breeding work---I am not saying that is what it is currently. I don't expect you to agree with me but that's what I think. A White Wyandotte with a straight comb (stinkin' recessive genes, eh) and rock-like looks doesn't turn into a White Plymouth Rock.

Yes, crossing, say, a Partridge Wyandotte into a Partridge Chantecler breeding program could be quite beneficial and I see no issue with doing that. That is NOT what I am referring to. Just don't show that Wyandotte as a PC is what I'm saying... lol.

In whose case? The OP? I still fail to see your point. My fault, I guess---sorry about that. I'm not too good at picking up meaning in writing. Have a good one.

 

[gojira]

Breeders showing birds that had two parents of one breed as another breed just to win are what I don't agree with, personally. Like I said, I think showing poultry should be an exhibition of your breeding work---I am not saying that is what it is currently. I don't expect you to agree with me but that's what I think. A White Wyandotte with a straight comb (stinkin' recessive genes, eh) and rock-like looks doesn't turn into a White Plymouth Rock.

Yes, crossing, say, a Partridge Wyandotte into a Partridge Chantecler breeding program could be quite beneficial and I see no issue with doing that. That is NOT what I am referring to. Just don't show that Wyandotte as a PC is what I'm saying... lol.

In whose case? The OP? I still fail to see your point. My fault, I guess---sorry about that. I'm not too good at picking up meaning in writing. Have a good one.

You were the one that said if an Easter Egger looked like an Ameraucana, it was no longer an Easter Egger, but an Ameraucana. That is why I mentioned the White Wyandotte example. So you think it works in one situation, but not another?

You talked down about mutts, and now you say it is ok to show mutts. Which is it? You said: "Showing a genetic mutt for the sake of a scrap of ribbon is not what the fancy is about." But now you are ok with it if it is a Partridge Wyandotte to a Partridge Chantecler.

I was meaning in the example of an Easter Egger that had the characteristics of an Ameraucana.

Just curious, which breeds and varieties do you show?

 

[I Love Layers]

Remember purebred poultry is about looks, not lineage. So why could it not be shown as an Ameraucana? For the inverse, if two varieties of Ameraucanas are crossed, the chicks are Easter Eggers.

IMO purebred is lineage, not looks.

 

[BantyChooks]

You were the one that said if an Easter Egger looked like an Ameraucana, it was no longer an Easter Egger, but an Ameraucana. That is why I mentioned the White Wyandotte example. So you think it works in one situation, but not another?

What? Naw, I didn't say it was an AM, just trying to clarify if you were just confused about the two. (I don't mean to offend by that---I don't believe I've met you before, and you know how a lot of people are. I see now you know your stuff.)
Went back and edited for clarity.

You talked down about mutts, and now you say it is ok to show mutts. Which is it? You said: "Showing a genetic mutt for the sake of a scrap of ribbon is not what the fancy is about." But now you are ok with it if it is a Partridge Wyandotte to a Partridge Chantecler.

Nope... not saying I would show them. I think that BREEDING them into your birds to improve, say, pencilling and then working back to standard is fine---they still breed true then---just not crossing them willy nilly to see if you get a bird you can stick in a show pen and win with. That won't do any good to the breed. Sorry, I'm a bad explain-er. I do have a point, I promise.

I was meaning in the example of an Easter Egger that had the characteristics of an Ameraucana.

Just curious, which breeds and varieties do you show?

Partridge Chanteclers. I have a bunch of other birds running around including Silver Ameraucanas but the PC are the only ones I am serious about. Not enough $$ and knowledge to take on a 2nd breed/variety. I don't show right now as I am still working on getting quality to where I want it. Plus, these birds are still 1st gen from a breeder and I won't show PCs that aren't my own breeding. Another one of my picky bits, lol.

You?

 

[BantyChooks]

Some Easter Eggers are of a recognized color variety of Ameraucana.

This was what made me confused and prompted the "they would be Ameraucana" comment. I thought it said they ARE a recognized colour variety of Ameraucana.... my bad. Someone ought to take away my keyboard when I'm multitasking.

 

[gojira]

IMO purebred is lineage, not looks.

I agree. But many breeders feel purebred is a look, not a lineage. I have a line of non-APA birds that go back to around the Civil War, and have only had 3 outside, but closely related, birds added in that time. I have others that go far back without crossing also.

 

[BantyChooks]

I agree. But many breeders feel purebred is a look, not a lineage. I have a line of non-APA birds that go back to around the Civil War, and have only had 3 outside, but closely related, birds added in that time. I have others that go far back without crossing also.

How neat!

 

[gojira]

The reason I mentioned White Wyandotte and White Plymouth Rocks was because the breeds, not necessarily the varieties, have intertwined histories. The same argument that you are making for Wyandottes and Chantecler.