Icelandic Chickens

[kathyinmo]

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[kathyinmo]

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[Icelander]

(P. S. I should probably make it absolutely clear that this is not meant as a dig at any breeder or breeders here or anywhere else, by the way. Very obviously nobody has a clue where this gene became expressed or why, or it would be common knowledge by now. I'm not in the slightest interested in a blame-game or anything like that, just interested in the integrity of the breed and being honest and open about the issues. I know this particular issue is putting people off so I think an understanding as to why this recessive gene issue is happening here and not in Iceland would be very helpful in that respect.)

 

[kathyinmo]

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[Icelander]

I don't think you understand.
It can happen ANYWHERE at ANYTIME to ANYONE. Crossbreeding or location has nothing at all to do with it. It is genetics - a mutation just happens!

Thank you for repeating that for me. So do I understand correctly that this mutation just happened here shortly after the birds arrived in the U.S. and then the mutation was bred out (rather than culled) so that it started appearing in both female and male birds (you say it is hereditary) or that the mutation has happened multiple times so that it appears in both males and females that have then been bred together to produce frayed offspring, but it just has not just happened in Iceland, and that the suggestion is that the fray mutation could not have been acquired from another breed via cross-breeding?

 

[RingedTeal]

Maybe they don't survive the Iceland winters but once brought here due ti the warmer weather they survive and pass the genes on.

 

[Icelander]

WHY? Because it happens! Mutations happen! Location has nothing to do with it!

If location had nothing to do with it, wouldn't this mutation be happening in Iceland as well as in the U.S.?

 

[kathyinmo]

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[kathyinmo]

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NO! When the genes are being replicated - mistakes can happen. It doesn't "happen," because of location.

 

[Icelander]

NO! When the genes are being replicated - mistakes can happen. It doesn't "happen," because of location.

I don't doubt you know your genetics, and I am not saying the location is the cause, rather I am saying that if a mutation happens regardless of location that it would happen everywhere, regardless of location, including in Iceland. However, it seems this mutation has only happened in the U.S.

Do you know if we are dealing with just one original mutation that has been copied to males and females (that then have frayed offspring), or is this a mutation that happens regularly in different birds?