Identification Help

[Kedreeva]

@nevsma So, I was really curious about this neck feathers thing, and didn't want to wait for tomorrow... so when I went to lock the birds up for the night, Penny was very helpfully sitting away from the others, so I put my arm over her and took a close look at the back of her head. She's a bit roughed up along the back of her neck (she's kind of the bottom of the pecking order), but the little feathers at the back of her head (at least the ones that aren't white) were brown with a darker color at the tips. Not enough darker for me to see any colors in the dark with a flashlight, though. On your cameo birds, are those feathers a flat brown?

I snuck over to the two new girls (who were helpfully roosting right next to each other, what luck!) to look at their necks. The purple pied hen has really big, bright iridescence on her neck feathers. The purple blackshoulder pied has the same tannish-tipped-with-dark at the back of her head that Penny does.

I mean, I was planning on it anyway but I suppose I really will have to get a purple boy and see what comes out of pairing him with Penny. If she's purple, all the babies would be purple. If she's cameo the boys would all be cameo and the girls would just be blue split cameo/purple, yes?

 

[nevsma]

This picture was taken last summer, when she was just over 1 year old. You can clearly see the purple behind her neck. You can also see the difference between new (dark) and old (light) feathers on her back.

I took this picture tonight, the purple pied is on the left (due to lighting, you cannot see the purple on the back of her neck.) But she is a tan color where people might say she is cameo, but the back of her neck is purple. My bronze hen is on the right for comparison.

My purple blackshoulder hen, only has about 10 small purple feathers, and are hard to see, especially at the end of summer when they have faded to brown. The cameo hens neck feathers are all a flat brown, but she also fades as the summer goes on. It is kind of fun, the purple and cameo mutations fade, so throughout the year you basically get two different colored birds depending if the feathers are new or old.

I am not exactly sure on breeding a purple with a cameo, as I have never done it before. My cameo hen is with my purple male, so I will be curious to see what they produce this year.

 

[DylansMom]

@nevsma So, I was really curious about this neck feathers thing, and didn't want to wait for tomorrow... so when I went to lock the birds up for the night, Penny was very helpfully sitting away from the others, so I put my arm over her and took a close look at the back of her head. She's a bit roughed up along the back of her neck (she's kind of the bottom of the pecking order), but the little feathers at the back of her head (at least the ones that aren't white) were brown with a darker color at the tips. Not enough darker for me to see any colors in the dark with a flashlight, though. On your cameo birds, are those feathers a flat brown?

I snuck over to the two new girls (who were helpfully roosting right next to each other, what luck!) to look at their necks. The purple pied hen has really big, bright iridescence on her neck feathers. The purple blackshoulder pied has the same tannish-tipped-with-dark at the back of her head that Penny does.

I mean, I was planning on it anyway but I suppose I really will have to get a purple boy and see what comes out of pairing him with Penny. If she's purple, all the babies would be purple. If she's cameo the boys would all be cameo and the girls would just be blue split cameo/purple, yes?

I believe in a Purple male x Cameo hen cross you would get all Purple daughters and all IB sons that would be split to Cameo and Purple.

 

[Kedreeva]

I believe in a Purple male x Cameo hen cross you would get all Purple daughters and all IB sons that would be split to Cameo and Purple.

I shouldn't write when I'm falling asleep. You're right of course! I told myself as I reread what I wrote "okay remember it's opposite for birds with the whole xy thing" and still.... lol! Thank you

 

[Kedreeva]

This picture was taken last summer, when she was just over 1 year old. You can clearly see the purple behind her neck. You can also see the difference between new (dark) and old (light) feathers on her back. I took this picture tonight, the purple pied is on the left (due to lighting, you cannot see the purple on the back of her neck.) But she is a tan color where people might say she is cameo, but the back of her neck is purple. My bronze hen is on the right for comparison. My purple blackshoulder hen, only has about 10 small purple feathers, and are hard to see, especially at the end of summer when they have faded to brown. The cameo hens neck feathers are all a flat brown, but she also fades as the summer goes on. It is kind of fun, the purple and cameo mutations fade, so throughout the year you basically get two different colored birds depending if the feathers are new or old. I am not exactly sure on breeding a purple with a cameo, as I have never done it before. My cameo hen is with my purple male, so I will be curious to see what they produce this year.

In your pics, your birds have a lot of darker feathers on their whole neck. Penny is light colored even there. I'll try to get some natural light photos today when I get home from work, hopefully it will be sunny.

 

[DylansMom]

I shouldn't write when I'm falling asleep. You're right of course! I told myself as I reread what I wrote "okay remember it's opposite for birds with the whole xy thing" and still.... lol! Thank you

Understand completely! I make those mistakes when I post early and not enough coffee has entered my brain. I once wrote a whole post about Opal being sex-linked for just that reason.

 

[Kedreeva]

Understand completely! I make those mistakes when I post early and not enough coffee has entered my brain. I once wrote a whole post about Opal being sex-linked for just that reason.

Oh my god that'ss fantastic! Although, I kind of wish it was, you know? I'd love to see what interaction there would be between purple and opal, like how purple/cameo does the peach thing...

 

[Peafowlssssssss]

This picture was taken last summer, when she was just over 1 year old. You can clearly see the purple behind her neck. You can also see the difference between new (dark) and old (light) feathers on her back.

This is a purple hen for sure, and it's a lot darker than Penny. I'm so lazy to the previous posts LOL.

 

[KsKingBee]

I believe in a Purple male x Cameo hen cross you would get all Purple daughters and all IB sons that would be split to Cameo and Purple.

I so wish that I was capable of understanding and retaining Punnett squares.

My Purple BS Spaulding;

The hens shown with him in the pic are not with him now.

He Is paired with three Cameos, one IBBS, and one Purple BS hen.

There will be no Cameo looking chicks? The Cameos will throw off Purple hens and IB looking males split to either Cameo or Purple, I got that.

The IBBS hen will throw off IBBS hens, not sure what else... I presume IBBS cocks split to Purple...

The Purple BS hen will throw Purple BS hens and Purple BS cocks? I assume also some IB split Purple BS cocks too?

My first egg from that pen will be hatching today or tomorrow, I am pretty sure it is from one of the Cameo hens.

 

[DylansMom]

I so wish that I was capable of understanding and retaining Punnett squares.

My Purple BS Spaulding;

The hens shown with him in the pic are not with him now.

He Is paired with three Cameos, one IBBS, and one Purple BS hen.

There will be no Cameo looking chicks? The Cameos will throw off Purple hens and IB looking males split to either Cameo or Purple, I got that.

The IBBS hen will throw off IBBS hens, not sure what else... I presume IBBS cocks split to Purple...

The Purple BS hen will throw Purple BS hens and Purple BS cocks? I assume also some IB split Purple BS cocks too?

My first egg from that pen will be hatching today or tomorrow, I am pretty sure it is from one of the Cameo hens.

There should not be any Cameo looking chicks from these pairings. From the IBBS you will get Purple BS hens... BS pattern + BS pattern = all BS pattern. Female chicks will be Purple BS and Male chicks will be IBBS split Purple. From the Purple BS hen you will get all Purple BS chicks, Purple + Purple = all Purple and BS + BS = all BS. A sex-linked (Purple) male will produce all daughters in his color, but to get sons in his color the mom must be that color also. Good luck with that egg.