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[Mrs J]

what exactly did i do wrong? (Im saying this in full curiousity, most people were saying i didnt know things about chickens which im a bit confused about, ive seen experts ask questions about molting even. Of course, i get the difference because im making a thread how to avoid these things so its influencing people) i dont exactly know what i had wrongly said, everyone told me different things i did wrong which im a bit confused about still, i said not to overfeed chickens treats and people were saying i fed my chickens a ton of treats and they were going to die? I didnt remember saying i even fed my chickens that many treats, i just said that you can get them to eat certain foods by keeping the treat level down and such. Sorry for the confusion again, and like i said, i deleted the thread because everyone (everyone) in this thread said it was wrong, bad, info in many different ways, which i appreciate. but thats why i deleted it, because i dont want people to get false info, not being angry that people were saying this, i do appreciate the help youve given, but no one has really specified what i said to have this wrong, i think that their replying to the other recent posts, thinking thats the pure subject, because i know a few people that didnt read the thread before deletion.

Hey
No point deleting this thread, it is a learning curve for everyone, there is no tone to a msg, I think maybe things are being taken the wrong way for all concerned, everyone on here does their best to help, ppl don’t intentionally mislead, and if ever there is conflicting information, there are other ppl who will step in with their expertise. This is a very good thread. I have learned a lot, so thanks to all concerned

 

[Chicken poppy]

Hey
No point deleting this thread, it is a learning curve for everyone, there is no tone to a msg, I think maybe things are being taken the wrong way for all concerned, everyone on here does their best to help, ppl don’t intentionally mislead, and if ever there is conflicting information, there are other ppl who will step in with their expertise. This is a very good thread. I have learned a lot, so thanks to all concerned

I just dont want anyone getting a bad idea by looking at it and then thinking to do the infortmation if it is all that bad, i appreciate everyones advice, i think things may have gotten a bit mixed up though.

 

[Chicken poppy]

Not sure about your "picky eaters" post, but I have never had a bird being picky over treats, which they rarely get. They have been picky with non processsed poultry feed, which is why I now get crumbles instead of whole grains (this was the first misinformation I fell for). I free feed my flock and check their crops (by feel) every morning. Never had an issue with free feeding. Treats are extra and not needed. Not sure what you wrote in your original post. Did you talk about vitamins?

I rarely add vitamins (poultry cell) to their water. I only use it when Wyorp Rock tells me. Only for sick birds, usually. If I add it via water, it needs to be switched out daily. I like to give poultry cell orally though.

Anyhow, you seem very understanding. Theres really a lot that can go into "picky" eaters, some of which may be because the bird is sick. Without knowing the specific bird and symptoms, its hard to generalize and say that birds are picky because of being fed too many treats. Meds and dosages may be needed for sick birds, including some of mine. The only birds I have had stop eating are:

1.) A bird that had sour crop
2.) 2 birds with reproductive disorders (one had a necropsy done)
3.) Bird that was going through a hard molt
4.) Birds with flystrike.


I am done now.

Ah, no, it wasnt about chickens being picky over treats, it was about them not eating their kibble and such. I cant really explain the post well, it was very long. I did not talk about viatmins either, as i said before to some other people, some people had not read the article and replied off someone else *which isnt bad, but it probably caused some different things to pop up* i feed my chickens crumbles, not pellets, they get a very well balanced diet and i simply was saying how to avoid treats. Not to feet them treats, i tottally agree with you, it can be so many things, i just know some chickens that dont eat their feed as much because they want the good stuff, but it could tottally be because of a illness or sour crop and such, maybe thats the issue, i didnt go into that. People may have thought i instantly said that chickens not eating means their picky (which i didnt mean to) thank you again for your reply, i appreciate your help.

 

[Chicken poppy]

Sorry for all the typos Im on mobile, it’s quite hard to fix all these typos so sorry if theres messages filled with them

 

[U_Stormcrow]

^ and THAT is why location data in your profile helps. I'm in the N Florida Panhandle region, as you can see at left.

"All Flock" or "Flock Raiser" is a term of art, used to loosely describe a bulk bag of typically nonmedicated chicken feed with a nutritional profile of about 18-20% protein, 3.5% fiber +/-, 1% Calcium +/-, often with a bit of added niacin (not important to chickens, but very important for ducks and geese).

Now, I happen to know that our friends across the pond in the EU typically make use of lower protein feeds than we do here in the US. A lot of recent studies they've made (which I greatly appreciate) on formulating lower protein feeds (13-14%) supplimented with synthetic amino accids (DL Methionine, and L-Lysine mostly) to acheive satisfactory feed results.

Let's see what I can find.

OK, "Feathers and Beaky" is one of your local brands. They don't publish their nutrition info where I can quickly find it on the web, but based on the way they are market positioning themselves, and their available feed varieties, I'm going to recommend against them until I can see an ingredients list and a nutrition label.

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Fancy Feed Company has a "Breeder and Show" mini-pellet. Its partial nutrition is 17.5% protein, 5% fat, 4.75% fiber. That's in the acceptable US range (only a bit low on protein for us), and the website makes specific mention of Methionine, Lysine, and Selenium, as well as discussing wheat (which is, in my opinion, a much better place to start building a chicken feed from than corn). This would be a good choice.

Ingredients are here - Wheat, Wheatfeed, Extracted Soya Bean Meal, Micronised Soya, Calcium Carbonate, Alfalfa Meal, Micronised Linseed, Soya Oil, Dicalcium Phosphate, Vitamins & Minerals, Biomos®, Sel-Plex®.

Soy and alfalfa are both important legumes in complimenting the areas where wheat provides an incomplete protein.


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Allen & Page has a very thorough "Freeholder Range" line. My internet isn't stable enough (or fast enough, I'm on a cell phone) to check it out, but their website is long on their "all vegan, no artificial" advertising. Its almost impossible to make a nutritionally complete chicken feed without some form of animal (or insect or fish) protein, and don't personally value Organic (or Vegan) above meeting nutritional needs, so I'm going to recommend you pass on them, too. I got one page to load, and its as disappointing as I expected.

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Copdock Mill is here. I've reviewed their producst and ingredients, I can't recommend any of them with the information available there. Their "Grower's Pellets" is the closest they have to what we would call an All FLock blend, and the offered amino acid levels are what we would call minimal. This is "possibly acceptable, not recommended". See how much shorter the ingredient list is than in the Fancy Feed? In this case, that's not an improvement. You can't get a complete protein out of the plant world, so you are always mixing a combination of plants to try and get the right balance. Copdock is trying to make a two legged chair here.

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Is there another brand you would like me to look at???

 

[Chicken poppy]

Going to go bake some cake now, thanks to everyone again, sorry for all the confusion. (for everyone who doesnt know, i feed my chickens a great diet, not quite sure why people thought i fed them treats daily, but they get their chicken feed crumbles, mash, grains and seeds and sometimes some hemp. We have free growing plants here like oregano, mung bean sprouts, that sort of thing. they get well balanced meals and their only treat they get is occasional alfalfa. And they have nice scratch like grains and cracked corn.

 

[cherrynberry]

OK, "Feathers and Beaky" is one of your local brands. They don't publish their nutrition info where I can quickly find it on the web, but based on the way they are market positioning themselves, and their available feed varieties, I'm going to recommend against them until I can see an ingredients list and a nutrition label.

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Fancy Feed Company has a "Breeder and Show" mini-pellet. Its partial nutrition is 17.5% protein, 5% fat, 4.75% fiber. That's in the acceptable US range (only a bit low on protein for us), and the website makes specific mention of Methionine, Lysine, and Selenium, as well as discussing wheat (which is, in my opinion, a much better place to start building a chicken feed from than corn). This would be a good choice.

Ingredients are here - Wheat, Wheatfeed, Extracted Soya Bean Meal, Micronised Soya, Calcium Carbonate, Alfalfa Meal, Micronised Linseed, Soya Oil, Dicalcium Phosphate, Vitamins & Minerals, Biomos®, Sel-Plex®.

Soy and alfalfa are both important legumes in complimenting the areas where wheat provides an incomplete protein.


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Allen & Page has a very thorough "Freeholder Range" line. My internet isn't stable enough (or fast enough, I'm on a cell phone) to check it out, but their website is long on their "all vegan, no artificial" advertising. Its almost impossible to make a nutritionally complete chicken feed without some form of animal (or insect or fish) protein, and don't personally value Organic (or Vegan) above meeting nutritional needs, so I'm going to recommend you pass on them, too. I got one page to load, and its as disappointing as I expected.

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Copdock Mill is here. I've reviewed their producst and ingredients, I can't recommend any of them with the information available there. Their "Grower's Pellets" is the closest they have to what we would call an All FLock blend, and the offered amino acid levels are what we would call minimal. This is "possibly acceptable, not recommended".

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Is there another brand you would like me to look at???

Just curious, what do you feed your flock? Have you tried Purina? Whats your recommended brand?

I currently use Purina Flock raiser but sometimes Grower 20%.

I have not had an issue with it, but am just curious what other brands may be good.

 

[Mrs J]

I just dont want anyone getting a bad idea by looking at it and then thinking to do the infortmation if it is all that bad, i appreciate everyones advice, i think things may have gotten a bit mixed up though.

Absolutely, I don’t think anyone will get a bad idea if they have read the whole thread. It is very reassuring, everyone is passionate

I just dont want anyone getting a bad idea by looking at it and then thinking to do the infortmation if it is all that bad, i appreciate everyones advice, i think things may have gotten a bit mixed up though.

ppl won’t get a bad idea, if they have read the whole thread, I think ppl will be reassured, I know I have been isn’t that what BYC is about, getting the best advice, I feel totally confident, if someone doesn’t agree, they will step in

 

[Chicken poppy]

OK, "Feathers and Beaky" is one of your local brands. They don't publish their nutrition info where I can quickly find it on the web, but based on the way they are market positioning themselves, and their available feed varieties, I'm going to recommend against them until I can see an ingredients list and a nutrition label.

***

Fancy Feed Company has a "Breeder and Show" mini-pellet. Its partial nutrition is 17.5% protein, 5% fat, 4.75% fiber. That's in the acceptable US range (only a bit low on protein for us), and the website makes specific mention of Methionine, Lysine, and Selenium, as well as discussing wheat (which is, in my opinion, a much better place to start building a chicken feed from than corn). This would be a good choice.

Ingredients are here - Wheat, Wheatfeed, Extracted Soya Bean Meal, Micronised Soya, Calcium Carbonate, Alfalfa Meal, Micronised Linseed, Soya Oil, Dicalcium Phosphate, Vitamins & Minerals, Biomos®, Sel-Plex®.

Soy and alfalfa are both important legumes in complimenting the areas where wheat provides an incomplete protein.


***

Allen & Page has a very thorough "Freeholder Range" line. My internet isn't stable enough (or fast enough, I'm on a cell phone) to check it out, but their website is long on their "all vegan, no artificial" advertising. Its almost impossible to make a nutritionally complete chicken feed without some form of animal (or insect or fish) protein, and don't personally value Organic (or Vegan) above meeting nutritional needs, so I'm going to recommend you pass on them, too. I got one page to load, and its as disappointing as I expected.

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Copdock Mill is here. I've reviewed their producst and ingredients, I can't recommend any of them with the information available there. Their "Grower's Pellets" is the closest they have to what we would call an All FLock blend, and the offered amino acid levels are what we would call minimal. This is "possibly acceptable, not recommended".

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Is there another brand you would like me to look at???

Yes, i agree, we try to avoid eating meat, but you cant give animals vegan diets, that seems cruel to me. Chickens are omnivores, you need protein and not just feed them vegan food. We used to have mealworms in our chick feed and i beileve some crab protein.

 

[U_Stormcrow]

Just curious, what do you feed your flock? Have you tried Purina? Whats your recommended brand?

I currently use Purina Flock raiser but sometimes Grower 20%

Cherry, they are across the pond in the UK, they don't enjoy the same brands we do. and as you know, though I think the Purina is probably the best of the reasonably priced commercial feeds available to us (for the typical backyard...) I don't use it myself.