Illness helpnto identify

[Peoples]

I have a 4 to 5 year old girl who is not her spunky self. She is very thin i cant stress enough how thin she is and low energy. I have been giving her nutrition drench last two days and notice she does eat meal worms and crickets when I give em. Haven't seen her drink water but assume she would not go 2 days without so must be. No lice or mites. Pale comb. Not laying eggs since winter started but none of my chickens are. She had been keeping her neck drawn in. Not fighting me when I handle her. She is the most spunkey and usually I would have to chase her. Attached are pics from today's poop, vent which I cleaned up, and pics with her sisters a few days ago before I seperated....in addition I thinking maybe worms but can't tell. Pic of dewormer I got as no local places carrying anything for chickens. Any advice on what could be wrong. When to put her back with the flock (has been staying inside house bathroom) cold outside do i give her a few more days to respond to dewormer and build strength? Any advise would be appreciated.

 

[CHlCKEN]

This could be caused by her molt. Chickens tend to lose a lot of energy and become more lethargic during this time. Reserved, quiet, and lethargic. Your bird looks like any bird going through a difficult molt. Support her with scrambled eggs and electrolytes in her water. This will help her to get energy back so she can get back to her normal self sooner.

 

[Peoples]

This could be caused by her molt. Chickens tend to lose a lot of energy and become more lethargic during this time. Reserved, quiet, and lethargic. Your bird looks like any bird going through a difficult molt. Support her with scrambled eggs and electrolytes in her water. This will help her to get energy back so she can get back to her normal self sooner.

so shall I put her back with her sister, deworm everyone to be safe, give her a few more days in the house? Her breast area is so thin and boney and not like her sisters...as far as molting she has her feathers every wjere. What about her poop and vent? Does this look normal

 

[CHlCKEN]

so shall I put her back with her sister, deworm everyone to be safe, give her a few more days in the house? Her breast area is so thin and boney and not like her sisters...as far as molting she has her feathers every wjere. What about her poop and vent? Does this look normal

Sorry I didn’t read your entire post before I made mine. Worm everyone to be safe. Id have to call in @Eggcessive and @azygous to identify what that vent might mean

 

[coach723]

I read your other thread.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/diagnosis-please.1439548/
Good suggestions and questions asked.
Is her crop empty in the morning?
Is there any abdominal bloat, between the legs below the vent?
At 4-5 years old a reproductive problem is possible. You mentioned that she's had egg quality issues before. Reproductive problems can include infection or cancer.
Runny droppings can be from internal parasites, or illness, or many other things. Birds with reproductive problems will often have dirty vent feathers as it's more difficult for them to push the droppings out. But a normal bird can also have dirty vent feathers. The wormer you show does not have effective ingredients. You would be better off using a chemical wormer. Safeguard liquid goat wormer or Safeguard horse paste are both usually available at tractor supply stores and many feed stores and can be used for chickens. Valbazen is a cattle dewormer, it can also be used. One of those is what I would use to worm her, if it's needed. Someone here will help with dosing when you get one of them, if you need it.
If she is acting ill I would not put her back with the flock yet, other birds may attack a sick flockmate. It's survival instinct in them to drive a weak member away so as not to attract a predator.
The more questions you can answer, the more information we have, the better able to give advice.

 

[Peoples]

I read your other thread.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/diagnosis-please.1439548/
Good suggestions and questions asked.
Is her crop empty in the morning?
Is there any abdominal bloat, between the legs below the vent?
At 4-5 years old a reproductive problem is possible. You mentioned that she's had egg quality issues before. Reproductive problems can include infection or cancer.
Runny droppings can be from internal parasites, or illness, or many other things. Birds with reproductive problems will often have dirty vent feathers as it's more difficult for them to push the droppings out. But a normal bird can also have dirty vent feathers. The wormer you show does not have effective ingredients. You would be better off using a chemical wormer. Safeguard liquid goat wormer or Safeguard horse paste are both usually available at tractor supply stores and many feed stores and can be used for chickens. Valbazen is a cattle dewormer, it can also be used. One of those is what I would use to worm her, if it's needed. Someone here will help with dosing when you get one of them, if you need it.
If she is acting ill I would not put her back with the flock yet, other birds may attack a sick flockmate. It's survival instinct in them to drive a weak member away so as not to attract a predator.
The more questions you can answer, the more information we have, the better able to give advice.

So her crop does empty in morning. No bloating anywhere. She is thin all over. No respiratory issues. How did her poop look as well as vent in your opinion? Like her breast feels like skin and feather over bone and no meat at all. Feels that way all the way down.

 

[coach723]

Looks soft, not necessarily runny. Easier to judge when you are there. I would monitor her eating, is she really eating a normal amount. Having her isolated will help with that. Internal parasites can cause weight loss, but some diseases also can. If you have a vet that will do a fecal float test for you (not terribly expensive) I would recommend that. Or you can use a mail in option: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000J5SOZ...colid=27RHKHAM35GO&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
That will tell you if parasites are the issue.

 

[azygous]

@coach723 has nailed every point I would make. Given the mainly normal poop, the extreme weight loss and behavior, I would suspect reproductive cancer.

It does no harm to worm her. But there's nothing in the ingredients of that "natural" wormer that would actually get rid of worms. Beware of "natural" meds that do no real good other than to make the manufacturer a fat profit.

 

[Peoples]

Looks soft, not necessarily runny. Easier to judge when you are there. I would monitor her eating, is she really eating a normal amount. Having her isolated will help with that. Internal parasites can cause weight loss, but some diseases also can. If you have a vet that will do a fecal float test for you (not terribly expensive) I would recommend that. Or you can use a mail in option: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000J5SOZ...colid=27RHKHAM35GO&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
That will tell you if parasites are the issue.

Just ordered the home test one. Hopefully will give some answers.

 

[Peoples]

@coach723 has nailed every point I would make. Given the mainly normal poop, the extreme weight loss and behavior, I would suspect reproductive cancer.

It does no harm to worm her. But there's nothing in the ingredients of that "natural" wormer that would actually get rid of worms. Beware of "natural" meds that do no real good other than to make the manufacturer a fat profit.

I will do the fecal float via Amazon mail in. And if worms then come back for advice on dosage and all for deworming and treat thr whole flock. If negative then should I surmise cancer and put her to rest? Is that a good plan? As I would not want her suffering either.