Impacted crop... and maybe much more.

pitapinta79

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Hi, my name is Pablo and I'm from Spain.

I have an Issa Brown called Marilyn -she's a pretty blondie- with 3 years old, very good layer as all Issa brown seems to be. Two weeks ago she started to act strange, like running stressed across the meadow. She looked weird, like gone mad for moments. I thought it was the molt, as they change their behaviour sometimes when they are molting. In fact, she had a really hard molting this year. But two days after that change they started to poop yellow/mustard and I started to worry more.

I started to give her onion and garlic (i usually do this 2 or 3 times each 10 days, more or less) and a treatment for coccidiosis, just in case she had worms. But, the day after that, she tried to fly a little to a wall where they have their daily sunbath and she fell. She was really really weak as it is a small wall (20 cms. high).

Immediately I took her home and prepared a corner in the living room, near the radiator, with food and drink nearby. I realized that I was hardly walking. His health had deteriorated very quickly. As I watched her closely and felt her chest, I realized that she had lost a lot of weight. She was anorexic.

The first thing I did was start an antibiotic treatment, in case she had some kind of infection. She seemed to have a fever. I saw that his poop was still yellow, and also with very liquid consistency. The first thing I thought was that it was cholera or something like that. I fed her little by little. I did not want to stress her body.

For 4 days she ate very little, and what she did was drink a lot of water, in which I give her vitamins and minerals. On the 4th day I noticed that his crop was completely full and hard in the morning. I massaged it and waited a few hours just in case, but it turned out she had it blocked.

I immediately went down to the pharmacy, bought a scalpel, and with the help of my wife we did the surgery to open his crop and empty it. They were very hard moments. I had to learn by some videos on YouTube quickly. I felt that his life hung by a thread and I could not delay. I opened and what I saw left me stunned. It was a compact ball full of grass, grains, probably bread - sometimes I give them a little, not much ... - It looked like it had been there for many days. I emptied it and stuck the incision with superglue after disinfecting. She endured the surgery very well and a few hours later began to eat. The poor thing had to take days, perhaps a week or more consuming her reserves of fat. That's why she was anorexic. ¿Or maybe not only for that?

Yesterday I wanted her to see her companions. It was a good day, so I took her to the meadow. A sunbath would do her good, and feeding the other hens might stimulate Marilyn's appetite. That's how it went. But I also noticed something else. He seemed to make efforts to defecate. However, she defecated very little. In fact, since I empty her crop, I have the feeling that she defecates less than she eats but I do not know if it's my paranoia.

When I lifted her up in the air to check her vent, I thought it was bulging and somewhat round. As if I had an egg bound. I had already observed that she kept herself with a penguin posture and now makes "effort" noises. She has not laid an egg for months, since she began to molt.

So I took her home, submerged her in warm water for twenty minutes and massaged her belly. I put on gloves and olive oil in one finger. I put it into his vent and I certainly noticed something round at the beginning. I lubricated everything I could and waited a few hours. At sunset I repeated the process. I also prepared a box with grass and put an egg inside. I had hoped that at dawn today she would have laid an egg. But it was not the case.

Today was exactly the same. I took her to the meadow, she makes the effort, I notice that she gets something out of the cloaca , etc. I give her the bath, I introduce the finger ... and the same thing. I notice his cloaca hard inside and that's what I think is an egg or what? I just don't know. She continues without defecating a lot of solid matter even though she eats. I am afraid that she is blocked in some way and she will have the problem in her crop again or worse. I have come to think that maybe it is not an egg, but a piece of tumor or something like that. The funny thing is that although she remains very weak (she barely walks like a drunkard, although she is still standing) the poops are not yellow since I emptied the crop and eat more, she has more appetite. Today she finished the antibiothic treatment so I fear that she has something inside she could get an infection. But she can not take more antibiothics for a while.

What I'm going to do now at sunset is to put her vaseline in the vent again, just in case. And supply her with the mixture of cinnamon, ginger, lemon and cayenne in case she has a piece of something undigested in her digestive tract.

This is a photo of her vent after making noises of effort. When the photo was taken, the swelling had diminished. What you see is a mixture of Vaseline and poop that has been expelled.



I'm sorry I wrote such a long text, but I'm really desperate. She is my little blonde.

Many thanks.
 

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This poor girl. I’m sorry no one has answered you yet. The situation you’re describing is possible but it also may be that the blockage is farther down.
There may be some treatment options. Just Hold on.

Question: The clear jellylike substance in your photo below her vent, was that lubricant or something coming out of her?

Let me get you some people who may be able to help.

@casportpony @Wyorp Rock @Eggcessive @WVduckchick
@azygous @Texas Kiki
 
Sorr ph that your hen seems to have a reproductive disorder that may be causing her crop and digestive tract to not work as normal as they should. I would suspect either oviduct cancer or salpingitis, but hard to know for sure while she is alive. The pressure that those things can put on the digestive organs, the gizzard and crop just can’t push the food through. In turn, the hen may lose weight. Her walking like a penguin is probably a symptom of the reproductive disorder, not egg binding. Unfortunately, I would try to make her comfortable and feed her things that she likes. A vitamin for poultry or a human vitamin B complex 1/4 tablet added to food can be helpful. Feeding chicken feed with a lot of water added, and some cooked egg would be good for her to eat. Sorry about your hen, but if you have a necropsy done or do one yourself after she dies, it can explain a lot that has been going on.
 
Hi @pitapinta79 Welcome To BYC:frow

I'm sorry to hear that your hen is not feeling well.
I agree with what @Eggcessive has posted.
Sadly, with a reproductive problem, there is not much that can be done but to make them comfortable.
You have gone above and beyond helping your sweet hen, I wish I had better answers for you.
 
You wrote a very excellent account of your hen's issues and thank you for including all the treatments you've already done for her. That helps us a lot. It wasn't too long because it had so much good information.

While it's possible your hen has a reproductive disorder that may be beyond help, I'm going to suggest a couple things that she could have going on that you can do something about. Both concern her digestive track.

One is her crop. Since she had an impacted crop for a good while, she could now have a sour crop. (Yeast infection) By the way, you did great performing surgery on her crop. Your hen is very lucky you had the courage to do that. It probably saved her life.

To verify she has a yeast infection, check her crop in the morning before you let her have anything to eat or drink. If it's full and squishy, you can be reasonably certain she needs to be treated with an anti-yeast medicine like miconazole or nystatin or copper sulfate, whichever of these you can get. The copper sulfate needs to be mixed fresh each day, 1 teaspoon apple cider vinegar, 1 gram copper sulfate, in 2 1/2 liters water for four to seven days.

The other possibility is a gizzard impaction, which can happen when the digestive system gets clogged and not much is moving through the digestive track. Try mixing some coconut oil with those spices you are going to give her. She could have both a yeast infection and impacted gizzard.
 
You wrote a very excellent account of your hen's issues and thank you for including all the treatments you've already done for her. That helps us a lot. It wasn't too long because it had so much good information.

While it's possible your hen has a reproductive disorder that may be beyond help, I'm going to suggest a couple things that she could have going on that you can do something about. Both concern her digestive track.

One is her crop. Since she had an impacted crop for a good while, she could now have a sour crop. (Yeast infection) By the way, you did great performing surgery on her crop. Your hen is very lucky you had the courage to do that. It probably saved her life.

To verify she has a yeast infection, check her crop in the morning before you let her have anything to eat or drink. If it's full and squishy, you can be reasonably certain she needs to be treated with an anti-yeast medicine like miconazole or nystatin or copper sulfate, whichever of these you can get. The copper sulfate needs to be mixed fresh each day, 1 teaspoon apple cider vinegar, 1 gram copper sulfate, in 2 1/2 liters water for four to seven days.

The other possibility is a gizzard impaction, which can happen when the digestive system gets clogged and not much is moving through the digestive track. Try mixing some coconut oil with those spices you are going to give her. She could have both a yeast infection and impacted gizzard.
This poor girl. I’m sorry no one has answered you yet. The situation you’re describing is possible but it also may be that the blockage is farther down.
There may be some treatment options. Just Hold on.

Question: The clear jellylike substance in your photo below her vent, was that lubricant or something coming out of her?

Let me get you some people who may be able to help.

@casportpony @Wyorp Rock @Eggcessive @WVduckchick
@azygous @Texas Kiki


Many thanks. Yes, the white thing was jelly.
 
First of all, thank you very much for your help.

Today in the morning I felt that she had the crop with food, so I bought nystatin and I gave her the first dose. But effectively, the problem is another. What I saw in her vent when she makes "effort noise" today took shape: it is a lash egg.
I quickly gave her a bath and put all the jelly and olive oil I could, and I waited for her to make new efforts. When she got to the situation of the photo I tried to take it with a pair of tweezers, but when I touched it, it went in again, helped by the oil. I managed to pick up a very small piece. Its consistency is like a boiled egg or something like that.
Now I am waiting for her to make an effort again and return to the same situation. I will try to squeeze lightly with one hand so that it does not slip in again and go picking up small pieces little by little. It' has the size of a large egg, so it's going to take time. Maybe it will take several times (and days) to remove this thing entirely. I hope there is no prolapse. I can not think what else I can do. T

Thank you very much for your answers. I will continue reporting.
 

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You are correct that a lash egg is indeed a symptom of a far greater problem however if you give her a human calcium supplement today it may help her expel it. You can also try laying her on her side and applying very gentle pressure as she makes effort to push it out it may slip it past the rim of her vent. I am so sorry I don’t have better news or more constructive suggestions.
 
First of all, thank you very much for your help.

Today in the morning I felt that she had the crop with food, so I bought nystatin and I gave her the first dose. But effectively, the problem is another. What I saw in her vent when she makes "effort noise" today took shape: it is a lash egg.
I quickly gave her a bath and put all the jelly and olive oil I could, and I waited for her to make new efforts. When she got to the situation of the photo I tried to take it with a pair of tweezers, but when I touched it, it went in again, helped by the oil. I managed to pick up a very small piece. Its consistency is like a boiled egg or something like that.
Now I am waiting for her to make an effort again and return to the same situation. I will try to squeeze lightly with one hand so that it does not slip in again and go picking up small pieces little by little. It' has the size of a large egg, so it's going to take time. Maybe it will take several times (and days) to remove this thing entirely. I hope there is no prolapse. I can not think what else I can do. T

Thank you very much for your answers. I will continue reporting.
Thank you for the photo @pitapinta79
I agree with you (and @staceyj ) it is a Lash Egg (Salpingitis). Hopefully she will be able to expel this and the crop will be able to function better. Often there may be more lash material in the oviduct or even in the abdomen that is blocking the intestines, but let's be hopeful until you find out otherwise.
What antibiotics do you have on hand? Sometimes an antibiotic can help with infection if caught early, but often the outcome for hens with Salpingitis is not positive.
You have put a lot of effort into your sweet hen so it would be worth trying antibiotics to see if that helps extend her life.

Since you recognized it for what it was, I'm sure that you have been doing some reading up on the matter. Here's a couple of articles on Salpingitis, I'm sure others will come along and contribute the information and knowledge that they have as well.

https://the-chicken-chick.com/salpingitis-lash-eggs-in-backyard/
https://the-chicken-chick.com/causes-of-lash-eggs-salpingitis-by/
 

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