INCUBATING w/FRIENDS! w/Sally Sunshine Shipped Eggs No problem!

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  1. Sally Sunshine

    Sally Sunshine Crossing the Road

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    No coop work!! I have a feeling you will do SOMETHING to it! lol YAY!! COOLERBATOR!!! whoop whoop SET ALL EGGS, let me know what you set to add to the updates!!

     
  2. daxigait

    daxigait Crowing

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    Morning everyone!
    @banty chick how did candeling go?
    @MotorcycleChickgood hatch
    @chicken hawk 33good job! :jumpy
    @Sally Sunshine setting second batch 18 Sapphire (she said they may need replaced as what the seller just called of hers gave terrible fertility new rooster being commissioned), 7 cream legbars, 18 EE, and 6 Swedish flower hens. How is your next group coming along?

    To the rest hatching I missed go Chickies!
     
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  3. Phage

    Phage Mad Scientist

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    Awwhhh thank you LY!
    I miss my peas
    Here is DD a couple of years ago with her buddy "peaky". She is now 18 and just started vet school in the UK. Who would have thought that she would become a vet!!!

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  4. Sally Sunshine

    Sally Sunshine Crossing the Road

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    Shipped Eggs = Change Of Plans!

    REQUEST HOW YOU WANT YOUR eggs SHIPPED PEOPLE!!!!

    HOW TO REQUEST AND SHIP EGGS Sally Sunshine Way...
    HOWTOREQUESTANDSHIPEGGSSallySunshineWay.pdf
    Unpacking & USPS Reimbursements SHIPPED EGGS.pdf

    Don't forget to request cold or heat packs according to weather to and from!

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    Shipped Eggs = Change Of Plans!
    Shipped eggs have a MUCH lower hatch rate, even with experienced hatchers!




    BELOW ROLLING AIR CELL OF A SHIPPED EGG
    Rolls like a Carpenters Level
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    SHIPPED EGGS & Malpositions!
    BELOW ARE "SADDLE" SHAPED AIR CELLS

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    SADDLE SHAPED AIR CELLS are very COMMON with shipped eggs!
    Saddle shaped is when

    one or both sides have a large "dip" in the air cell.

    A lot of times with saddle shaped cells the chick doesn’t position correct for hatching and their feet can easily get stuck behind their head and “smoosh” the chick so they can’t move, it can also force the yolk sack and everything more north in the shell.... Keep a close eye on these eggs and its VERY important to pencil mark Air cells! Issues Step by Step Guide to ASSISTED Hatching

    saddles below
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    Jiggly eggs are when the air cell

    has a small amount of movement at the top!




    UNDERSTANDING what goes WRONG with SHIPPED EGGS
    The yolk of an egg is held in place on each end by what is called Chalaza. These are delicate cords that keep the yolk centered in the egg. When you crack open an egg, you notice a white stringy thing on the yolk, this is the Chalaza. When eggs are shipped they encounter postal handlers that toss the packages, sorting machinery, bumpy vehicle rides, temperature changes and possibly X-ray Machines! So by the time the eggs get to you they are pretty much scrambled inside. So if you are going to buy eggs and have them shipped to you, be aware that the viability drops TREMENDOUSLY. There are rare instances when they ALL arrive safely but it is always a gamble.
    See Egg anatomy here http://www.geauga4h.org/poultry/egg_parts.htm




    ~ CONCLUSION ~
    Shipped Eggs How & When to Set!

    "Settle" & Setting of eggs
    Shipped eggs need to be left to warm to room temperature
    & need to settle B4 adding to the incubator!
    This "settle" time will vary depending on the age of the eggs, DO NOT TURN THEM!!
    if the air cells are large they are already getting old! Most shipped eggs are getting old!

    Settle 6 hours and then set (begin incubation) if they are getting old and have large air cells. But continue to read below for Rolling, Ruptured, Jiggly Air cell info!
    If Eggs are FRESH you can settle for 12-24 hours.
    REMINDER~ Never Set COLD eggs in the incubator.


    EGGS WILL NEED DIFFERENT TREATMENTS Should YOU have BAD AIR CELLS......


    If an egg has a NORMAL INTACT AIR CELL:
    Normal air cell eggs, settle 12-24 hrs if FRESH, IF OLD 6 hours and
    then begin to incubate these upright and you may begin turning, you may lay horizontal or upright for hatching. Most people like to hatch upright for shipped eggs.
    PLEASE PLEASE READ THE TURNING SECTION of this article FIRST!
    If you can turn more than 3x a day PLEASE PLEASE turn them!! 3 is minimum amount!



    For ROLLING AIR CELLS:
    (cells no longer at fat end of the egg but like a bubble level on the long side, see above video)
    Follow SETTLING EGGS ABOVE DO NOT TURN
    Set in incubator Upright/AIR CELL UP/FAT END UP and
    do not turn for 3 days once set in the bator AT LEAST!
    CANDLE ONLY FROM ABOVE LEAVE THEM IN THE BATOR DURING CANDLE

    If after 3 days and you have embryo growth and the air cell is still completely loose, do not turn another 24 hours.



    For detached, Jiggly or disrupted air cells:
    (see above for descriptions and images)
    If air cells are Saddle shaped, Detached/Loose, or Jiggly follow above settle times
    and set in the incubator and don't turn for at least 36/48 HOURS
    After that time, turn on the turner or begin with the gentle turning side to side
    or you can turn by hand in the carton by simply tilting side to side, see image below.

    Below image are Eggs in A Carton with Bottoms cut out for Ventilation

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    Below image of Turning damaged air cell Shipped Eggs, just lean to opposite side.
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    TREATMENT AT LOCKDOWN.......
    Shipped eggs that have had loose air cells or saddle air cells,
    should be hatched upright but tilted just enough so that the lowest dip is somewhat upright, so if they have fluid in the air cell it may prevent drowning).

    MARKING AIR CELLS DAY 18, DRAW DOWN, INTERNAL PIP, EXTERNAL PIP, and ZIPPING post #35770
    Pips and ZIPS ARE NOT THE SAME PATIENCE is a MUST!



    LOCKDOWN, DAY 18, CANDLES, PIPS, ZIPS
    DAY 18 CANDLE IMAGES/VIDEOS: post #41176
    FIVE VIDEOS show Draw Down and Internals post #44701
    DAY 18 DIS CANDLES post #43401
    DONT PICK THE PIPS! post #24611
    TIMELINE of a silky HATCHING! NOTE HOW LONG IT TOOK FROM INTERNAL TO ZIPPING post #33770
    TIMELINE OF A POLISH HATCHING QUICK HATCHOUT! post #46572
    VIDEO of zip and hatch AT :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyO3YwrsJPg
    DO my Air cells look ok Day 18? post #31971
    DAY 18 HOW DO I LOCKDOWN, WHAT HUMIDITY, do I hatch horizontal OR Upright? post #32948
    LOWERING TEMPS lockdown IS NOT NECESSARY/AIDs THE HATCHING PROCESS post #2898
    Hatching Behavior & How the chick Comes out of the Shell post #34865
    YES a chick can chirp when its not pipped internally! post #20506




    First and foremost, @Sally Sunshine for her excellent shipped egg information,
    such that I'm getting live birds hatching from this mess:

    Kristins horribly shipped eggs and hatch post #57321
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    CRACKED EXPENSIVE IMPORTANT EGGS
    If you do receive a cracked egg and it’s an expensive egg you can try to hatch it, but beware of bacterial explosion and good possibility of ruining other eggs. It is possible to hatch a cracked egg by sealing the crack with candle wax/crayon wax or finger nail polish. Try to place the egg in a cup or protected place well away from other eggs. If viable to hatch, keep a close eye on where the pip mark will be in case the chick cant get through a fixed area.
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    REMINDER THAT YOU MAY BE ENTITLED TO REIMBURSEMENT
    OF DAMAGED SHIPPED EGGS

    SEE LINKS FOR INFO! https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/the-truth-about-insuring-hatching-eggs
    http://www.jordan-farm.com/blog/

     
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  5. Sally Sunshine

    Sally Sunshine Crossing the Road

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    Phage that is awesome!
     
  6. BantyChooks

    BantyChooks Pullarius

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    Didn't do it yet, lol.... Got a bit sidetracked.
     
  7. BullChick

    BullChick Enslaved by a Duckling

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    @Chaos18 She's had her coffee this morning!
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  8. campingshaws

    campingshaws Enabler

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    Hoping so! The big windows are and the breezeway face west-east, and there are vents at the roof line on all four sides. I'm hoping to get good airflow in the hot summertime. I'm a little worried about rain blowing in, but that's something we'll address as it's a problem (or not). I'll also need to rig up some winterization. Maybe just a plywood panel on the inside on the window. With temps in the 70s right now it's hard to focus on freezes.
     
  9. Peep-Chicken

    Peep-Chicken Crowing

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    Morning! :frow
     
  10. chicken hawk 33

    chicken hawk 33 Songster

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    Is this good.we didn't have paper towels.but napkins[​IMG]
     
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