INCUBATING w/FRIENDS! w/Sally Sunshine Shipped Eggs No problem!

[Sally Sunshine]

Not too bad. No coop work today. I'm going to sanitize the third section of the brooder and clean the porch off, then work on getting my coolerbator supplies. Time to raid the barn!

I'll have a week to finish the cooler and I'll probably use it for hatching, at least at first.

The hona chicks I bought are feathered except for their heads, so I'm going to give them another section of the brooder. Trying something different. They're 4 weeks old Monday.

Also setting more eggs probably today. I didn't sell them so I either need to set or eat.

No coop work!! I have a feeling you will do SOMETHING to it! lol YAY!! COOLERBATOR!!! whoop whoop SET ALL EGGS, let me know what you set to add to the updates!!

Quote: sounds like me too lmao, except the unhealthy came in a bit later, see a good decision you made

good morning Keri

Did you see the tag last night then? I pray I dont keep tagging someone else by accident DOH

The timing is everything.
I missed a shot at 3 deer walking through the snow past my window just after dawn. By the time I found the camera they were slipping into the woods.

Good morning paddler

deer have a way of slipping out of sight at the best moments dont they

 

[daxigait]

Morning everyone!
@banty chick how did candeling go?
@MotorcycleChickgood hatch
@chicken hawk 33good job!
@Sally Sunshine setting second batch 18 Sapphire (she said they may need replaced as what the seller just called of hers gave terrible fertility new rooster being commissioned), 7 cream legbars, 18 EE, and 6 Swedish flower hens. How is your next group coming along?

To the rest hatching I missed go Chickies!

 

[Phage]

@casportpony
@Phage

Awwhhh thank you LY!
I miss my peas
Here is DD a couple of years ago with her buddy "peaky". She is now 18 and just started vet school in the UK. Who would have thought that she would become a vet!!!

 

[Sally Sunshine]

Shipped Eggs = Change Of Plans!

REQUEST HOW YOU WANT YOUR eggs SHIPPED PEOPLE!!!! ​

HOW TO REQUEST AND SHIP EGGS Sally Sunshine Way...
HOWTOREQUESTANDSHIPEGGSSallySunshineWay.pdf
Unpacking & USPS Reimbursements SHIPPED EGGS.pdf
Don't forget to request cold or heat packs according to weather to and from! ​

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Shipped Eggs = Change Of Plans!
Shipped eggs have a MUCH lower hatch rate, even with experienced hatchers! ​

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REQUEST HOW YOU WANT YOUR eggs SHIPPED PEOPLE!!!! ​

HOW TO REQUEST AND SHIP EGGS Sally Sunshine Way... ​

COLD? REQUESTING HEAT PACKS discussion post #32219
Heat packs for shipping animals/etc http://www.tsksupply.com/categories/Heat-Packs/


It’s always best to get local eggs to get the best hatch rate.
Sources for eggs are to search the BYC buy sell trade section, Craigslist and eBay.
Your local thread on BYC may be the best bet for local eggs! ​

A great place to find eggs CHEAP! post #7755
Julian date on trader Joe eggs understanding it!
http://www.fs.fed.us/fire/partners/fepp/julian-calendar.pdf post #5098
BYC Links for EGGS........
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/...egg-auction-and-bin-thread/4280#post_16161710
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/754060/the-new-crazy-24hr-auction-thread/10720#post_16151948
https://www.backyardchickens.com/f/36/chicken-hatching-eggs
LOCAL BYC THREADS in the Where am I? Where are you Section! click HERE​

An egg with a small air cell is a higher quality than an egg with a larger air cell. When an egg first laid, there is no air cell but as time goes on and the egg cools, an air cell forms and continues to grow in size because of the pores in the egg shell itself. The air cell can be measured by using an air cell gauge, which is a card that is held up to the egg while candling.
An example of an air cell gauge can be seen below.

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As soon as you open your eggs, be GENTLE try to keep them upright!​

CANDLE IMMEDIATELY UPRIGHT in case you have Bad air cells!​

Mark air cells with a pencil! So you are aware of bad eggs from good! ​

HOW TO CANDLE EGGS post #40826

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BELOW ROLLING AIR CELL OF A SHIPPED EGG
Rolls like a Carpenters Level

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SHIPPED EGGS & Malpositions!
BELOW ARE "SADDLE" SHAPED AIR CELLS

SADDLE SHAPED AIR CELLS are very COMMON with shipped eggs!
Saddle shaped is when ​

one or both sides have a large "dip" in the air cell. ​

A lot of times with saddle shaped cells the chick doesn’t position correct for hatching and their feet can easily get stuck behind their head and “smoosh” the chick so they can’t move, it can also force the yolk sack and everything more north in the shell.... Keep a close eye on these eggs and its VERY important to pencil mark Air cells! Issues Step by Step Guide to ASSISTED Hatching​

saddles below

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Jiggly eggs are when the air cell​

has a small amount of movement at the top! ​

UNDERSTANDING what goes WRONG with SHIPPED EGGS
The yolk of an egg is held in place on each end by what is called Chalaza. These are delicate cords that keep the yolk centered in the egg. When you crack open an egg, you notice a white stringy thing on the yolk, this is the Chalaza. When eggs are shipped they encounter postal handlers that toss the packages, sorting machinery, bumpy vehicle rides, temperature changes and possibly X-ray Machines! So by the time the eggs get to you they are pretty much scrambled inside. So if you are going to buy eggs and have them shipped to you, be aware that the viability drops TREMENDOUSLY. There are rare instances when they ALL arrive safely but it is always a gamble.
See Egg anatomy here http://www.geauga4h.org/poultry/egg_parts.htm



~ CONCLUSION ~
Shipped Eggs How & When to Set!

"Settle" & Setting of eggs
Shipped eggs need to be left to warm to room temperature
& need to settle B4 adding to the incubator!
This "settle" time will vary depending on the age of the eggs, DO NOT TURN THEM!!
if the air cells are large they are already getting old! Most shipped eggs are getting old!
Settle 6 hours and then set (begin incubation) if they are getting old and have large air cells. But continue to read below for Rolling, Ruptured, Jiggly Air cell info!
If Eggs are FRESH you can settle for 12-24 hours.
REMINDER~ Never Set COLD eggs in the incubator.

EGGS WILL NEED DIFFERENT TREATMENTS Should YOU have BAD AIR CELLS......


If an egg has a NORMAL INTACT AIR CELL:
Normal air cell eggs, settle 12-24 hrs if FRESH, IF OLD 6 hours and
then begin to incubate these upright and you may begin turning, you may lay horizontal or upright for hatching. Most people like to hatch upright for shipped eggs.
PLEASE PLEASE READ THE TURNING SECTION of this article FIRST!
If you can turn more than 3x a day PLEASE PLEASE turn them!! 3 is minimum amount!


For ROLLING AIR CELLS:
(cells no longer at fat end of the egg but like a bubble level on the long side, see above video)
Follow SETTLING EGGS ABOVE DO NOT TURN
Set in incubator Upright/AIR CELL UP/FAT END UP and
do not turn for 3 days once set in the bator AT LEAST!
CANDLE ONLY FROM ABOVE LEAVE THEM IN THE BATOR DURING CANDLE
If after 3 days and you have embryo growth and the air cell is still completely loose, do not turn another 24 hours.


For detached, Jiggly or disrupted air cells:
(see above for descriptions and images)
If air cells are Saddle shaped, Detached/Loose, or Jiggly follow above settle times
and set in the incubator and don't turn for at least 36/48 HOURS
After that time, turn on the turner or begin with the gentle turning side to side
or you can turn by hand in the carton by simply tilting side to side, see image below.​

Below image are Eggs in A Carton with Bottoms cut out for Ventilation ​

Below image of Turning damaged air cell Shipped Eggs, just lean to opposite side.





TREATMENT AT LOCKDOWN.......
Shipped eggs that have had loose air cells or saddle air cells,
should be hatched upright but tilted just enough so that the lowest dip is somewhat upright, so if they have fluid in the air cell it may prevent drowning).​

MARKING AIR CELLS DAY 18, DRAW DOWN, INTERNAL PIP, EXTERNAL PIP, and ZIPPING post #35770
Pips and ZIPS ARE NOT THE SAME PATIENCE is a MUST!


LOCKDOWN, DAY 18, CANDLES, PIPS, ZIPS
DAY 18 CANDLE IMAGES/VIDEOS: post #41176
FIVE VIDEOS show Draw Down and Internals post #44701
DAY 18 DIS CANDLES post #43401
DONT PICK THE PIPS! post #24611
TIMELINE of a silky HATCHING! NOTE HOW LONG IT TOOK FROM INTERNAL TO ZIPPING post #33770
TIMELINE OF A POLISH HATCHING QUICK HATCHOUT! post #46572
VIDEO of zip and hatch AT :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyO3YwrsJPg
DO my Air cells look ok Day 18? post #31971
DAY 18 HOW DO I LOCKDOWN, WHAT HUMIDITY, do I hatch horizontal OR Upright? post #32948
LOWERING TEMPS lockdown IS NOT NECESSARY/AIDs THE HATCHING PROCESS post #2898
Hatching Behavior & How the chick Comes out of the Shell post #34865
YES a chick can chirp when its not pipped internally! post #20506

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First and foremost, @Sally Sunshine for her excellent shipped egg information,
such that I'm getting live birds hatching from this mess:
Kristins horribly shipped eggs and hatch post #57321

CRACKED EXPENSIVE IMPORTANT EGGS
If you do receive a cracked egg and it’s an expensive egg you can try to hatch it, but beware of bacterial explosion and good possibility of ruining other eggs. It is possible to hatch a cracked egg by sealing the crack with candle wax/crayon wax or finger nail polish. Try to place the egg in a cup or protected place well away from other eggs. If viable to hatch, keep a close eye on where the pip mark will be in case the chick cant get through a fixed area.




REMINDER THAT YOU MAY BE ENTITLED TO REIMBURSEMENT
OF DAMAGED SHIPPED EGGS
SEE LINKS FOR INFO! https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/the-truth-about-insuring-hatching-eggs
http://www.jordan-farm.com/blog/

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[Sally Sunshine]

Phage that is awesome!

 

[BantyChooks]

Morning everyone!
@banty chick how did candeling go?
@MotorcycleChick good hatch
@chicken hawk 33 good job!

@Sally Sunshine setting second batch 18 Sapphire (she said they may need replaced as what the seller just called of hers gave terrible fertility new rooster being commissioned), 7 cream legbars, 18 EE, and 6 Swedish flower hens. How is your next group coming along?

To the rest hatching I missed go Chickies!

Didn't do it yet, lol.... Got a bit sidetracked.

 

[BullChick]

@Chaos18 She's had her coffee this morning!

 

[campingshaws]

Today's pics from the epic Camp Coop project. Built with ease of access, premium coop space for 20 chickens, and hands-on farm education in mind. We get a lot of city kids in our summer programs. And now you're all caught up! e


Front!



Back!



Breezeway! I designed this coop to look like the old-style dog trot houses. It's a southern thing, but so super practical!



DH modeling the coop side entrance! The other side has Dutch doors and we're going to put goats over there.



The pop door works!



The Dutch doors!



Inside of the coop!



Other side of the coop with nest boxes. And of course the Most Handsome Helper.



I did ZERO of the framing.

I did a LITTLE of the staining.

I did ALL of the designing and board placement. So if you have questions, expect non answers.

That's very nice. I love all the big windows. Will they be operable for ventilation?

Hoping so! The big windows are and the breezeway face west-east, and there are vents at the roof line on all four sides. I'm hoping to get good airflow in the hot summertime. I'm a little worried about rain blowing in, but that's something we'll address as it's a problem (or not). I'll also need to rig up some winterization. Maybe just a plywood panel on the inside on the window. With temps in the 70s right now it's hard to focus on freezes.

 

[Peep-Chicken]

BUBBLESSSSSSSSSSSSSS???????????????? 

mornin hero!  how was yer hot date last night?

There you are beautiful!!  def we be needed warm anything right?  are you guys keepin warm up there?

Mornin MC my silly loving friend!   That is a good hatch MC  and I love the pic of ducklin. 

snuck a candle of a few seen internals, no externals so I closed them up and upped the humidity


Morning campin!  busy day ahead?

what was wrong with the pullet? CONGRATS on the PREGO!!!  good for you fire!! 

CC your actually online!!  morning how cold are you up there?

Morning Peter!!!  ohhhh VDay!  pool filter!!!  Termites!!!  eeeee gadsss

NO they will be fine all together, no need for two brooders, I always keep my serama in with even my godzilla egg chicks!! they will be fine!   Use papertowels over the shavings the first few days in the brooder mostly BECAUSE of the TINY SERAMA chicks! 

PEEP!!!  morning sweets!

Morning!

 

[chicken hawk 33]

Is this good.we didn't have paper towels.but napkins