If it's stuck zipping then yes it might need help. Congrats on the one that hatched. I think the most we've had in our fridge at once was about 9 dozen.
[CONTENTEMBED=/t/1046313/incubating-w-friends-come-hatch-learn-chat-meet-new-friends-w-host-sally-sunshine/116380#post_17198547 layout=inline]Mornin! Say hello to Olivia (Oliver if it's a boy, but I hope not!) She hatched at 1:00 this morning, and yes, I was up the whole time. I am exhausted![/CONTENTEMBED] [CONTENTEMBED=/t/1046313/incubating-w-friends-come-hatch-learn-chat-meet-new-friends-w-host-sally-sunshine/116380#post_17198547 layout=inline]She is an EE through and through! All the vigour and liveliness of the breed is packed up in this little bugger! She hatched quickly and was exploring the brooder in no time! One other egg pipped last night. (I actually didn't notice till I opened the bator to take out the lids I was using to up the humidity. I didn't want her to drown in the water.) I hope I didn't shrink wrap the poor thing! He zipped partly after that but has been stuck in the same spot for two hours. Should I help him out a little? I read this in Sally's Guide to Assisted Hatching:[/CONTENTEMBED] [CONTENTEMBED=/t/1046313/incubating-w-friends-come-hatch-learn-chat-meet-new-friends-w-host-sally-sunshine/116380#post_17198547 layout=inline]
[COLOR=FF0000]You can tell the chick is having trouble if it gets stuck for several hours in the MIDDLE of the unzipping stage, either pointlessly banging its beak against the hole without making further openings in the shell or mostly unzipped but unable to kick free.[/COLOR]
So I had been wondering recently about how Denegard (tiamulin hydrogen fumarate) kills Mycoplasma bacterium. I did a little digging and saw they can become suspectible to lysis by osmotic shock. That basically means the tri-layered cell membrane (not wall, Mycoplasma lack cell walls) shatters when weakened by high concentrations of salts, etc. It also slows transport of things into the cell, shocking it. Or, at low concentrations, water enters the membrane and bursts it. Do I have this correct? And so, if this is so, the tiamulin surrounds the Mycoplasma cell and dehydrates it? Thanks.
Yes, they have cocci even though you don't see it. Usually by the time you see symptoms, they already have it so bad they may not live whatever you might do.
Same here. This thread especially takes up way too much of my time, so I'm definitely going back in the shadows from whence I came as soon as this hatch is over!
She is not so cute ... Okay, she is cute before coffee. I just wish she had given me another two hours! Breakfast. I have never seen my chickens do this before!
lol, they are trying to escape the ducks she is getting there, we dont spend enough time with her unfortunately but she would be AMAZING if we spent more time, yours would probably do very well
If it's stuck zipping then yes it might need help. Congrats on the one that hatched. I think the most we've had in our fridge at once was about 9 dozen.
Mornin! Say hello to Olivia (Oliver if it's a boy, but I hope not!) She hatched at 1:00 this morning, and yes, I was up the whole time. I am exhausted!
She is an EE through and through! All the vigour and liveliness of the breed is packed up in this little bugger! She hatched quickly and was exploring the brooder in no time! One other egg pipped last night. (I actually didn't notice till I opened the bator to take out the lids I was using to up the humidity. I didn't want her to drown in the water.) I hope I didn't shrink wrap the poor thing! He zipped partly after that but has been stuck in the same spot for two hours. Should I help him out a little? I read this in Sally's Guide to Assisted Hatching:
You can tell the chick is having trouble if it gets stuck for several hours in the MIDDLE of the unzipping stage, either pointlessly banging its beak against the hole without making further openings in the shell or mostly unzipped but unable to kick free.
THE ZIP / ZIPPING Final HATCH OUT! THIS STAGE LOOKS ALMOST LIKE A ZIPPER ON YOUR JACKET! IT ONLY LASTS UP TO 45-90 minutes for chicken eggs!
The final hatch is very quick compared to the previous gaps/stages! The Chick will continued to push through the shell, using its egg tooth.The chick will take a few short rests, changed position, turn and keep cutting through the shell until its head fall free of the opened shell. It will then kick off the bottom part of the shell and then rest exhausted while its navel opening heals and its downy feathers dry off. HATCH COMPLETE
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Quote: A NOTE.... and I know your a shell picker as we had discussed before. HOWEVER.... When the chicks circle inside the egg during ZIP stage, they actually twist navel strings/veins and this helps shut down and close them off, if they have too big of an area to get out/or you help them before this happens, they can bleed....
-Kathy
yep, common sense after you do it a while but its one of those DOHs that hit you
Ducks are much worse, as they go round more than once, creating a bigger and bigger hole until they get out... most people interviene with ducks seeing a big hole up top when in fact they are still resting and doing their turns inside.... ducks are such a hard call when assisting or not....
CHICKS CAN GET STUCK IN THE ZIPPING STAGE
AGAIN THIS SHOULD ONLY LAST 45-90 Minutes!!
The IMAGES BELOW are of chicks that needed assistance because they went for way too many hours in the zipping stage!
THESE HAVE BEEN STUCK OVER 90 minutes!!!
THESE NEEDED ASSISTANCE! "open that up and get her out!! a zipIT ONLY LASTS UP TO 45-90 minutes for chicken eggs!!" "put a damp HOT rag in the bator when you grab him out, not on eggs though! If the chick is sticky or goopie it will need washed off! I run the tap water warm and hold the chick under it and wash NOT GETTING WATER ON ITS HEAD OR NOSTRILS! After that dry it off with a warm dry rag and put under heat lamp in the brooder or return to the bator!"
OK, so let me make sure I got this right before I actually do it: put a hot damp rag in - to increase humidity? Take the egg out. I didn't mark the air cell before; should I do it now before assisting? Then, break away at the shell above the air cell line. Do I tear the membrane along with the shell or let the chick do that? Then, moisten the membrane and put it back in the bator.