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Incubation - Membrane Question

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Songster
10 Years
Mar 20, 2015
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Pennsylvania, USA
Hello everyone,
I have had ducks and geese for over three years now and have hatched both multiple times.
I bought seven Sebastopol eggs last month and drove to pick them up, so no shipping. I did not have a way of candling them until I got home, which showed me one of them was already rotten. Two never started developing.
I have used my Hova-Bator 2370 forced air incubator with automatic turner every time I have hatched eggs. I have multiple calibrated thermometers and hygrometers monitoring temperature and humidity. Temperature has been 99.5-99.7°F and humidity has been 20-35%.
They are on day 25 today and have lost 13-15% of their weight, the air cells are dipping, blood vessels are present, and movement is visible.
My concern is that none of the eggs have chorioallantoic membranes completely covering the inside of their shells. The best one has about a nickel-sized area that's not covered, the worst is about 1/5 of the shell uncovered. I started some duck eggs a few days after them to try and line up hatching times the best I could and all five of them are completely covered.
There is not a ton of information available on survivability, any adjustments I should make at this point to try and increase hatching rates, etc. The most I found on BYC was a mention in Pete's incubation guide that they would most likely die in week three without a fully formed membrane. We're past three weeks and still alive.
Anyone have any experience with this or advice?
 
I guess I don't understand at this point day 25 they should be filled in with just a little visible liquid at the top towards the air cell if the membrane was missing they wouldn't have a air cell.
 
I guess I don't understand at this point day 25 they should be filled in with just a little visible liquid at the top towards the air cell if the membrane was missing they wouldn't have a air cell.
The chorioallantoic membrane (CAM) is not within the end of the egg that contains the air cell itself, but should cover the inside of the rest of the egg. It is a different membrane than the inner shell membrane, which is what makes the air cell. The CAM develops as the egg develops, running vessels along the inside of the shell to help with gas exchange and calcium absorption. Here is a photo of one of my eggs that I'm concerned about. The lighter spot is where the CAM failed to develop fully, hence no vessels along that part of the shell.

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Thank you for explaining. Thats so sad. Are you sure its not a stuck embryo that couldnt spread. It dosent sound like the eggs were well cared for before you got them. If there not turned during storage sometimes the embryos never have a chance even if there healthy they cant float and spread. Just a thought
 
Thank you for explaining. Thats so sad. Are you sure its not a stuck embryo that couldnt spread. It dosent sound like the eggs were well cared for before you got them. If there not turned during storage sometimes the embryos never have a chance even if there healthy they cant float and spread. Just a thought

I'm going to be quite sad if none of these guys make it.

I suppose that's a possibility, but they all seemed to be moving throughout earlier incubation. Though now that I think back, they may have been moving a lot less than the duck embryos that are incubating along with them. The one with the least CAM development does seem to be moving the most right now though, which i would think would be less so if it was stuck to the shell? I wish I would have taken more photos/videos throughout.

The person supposedly turned them throughout storage, which would have been three to four days before I got them.

Then again, they also supposedly candled them as well. And I ended up with a rotten egg the day I brought them home.
 
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