Incubation Q's: Temp and Egg Position

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Currently, I have 50 Coturnix Quail eggs that are 24 hours old (purchased and selected in person at a breeder), kept in a vertical position with pointy side down waiting to be put into my incubator. I have two thermometers/humidity meters in the incubator, at two spots. They are reading slightly off from each other, but similar - about 1 degree and 1% off when sitting on table next to each other before placement in incubator. My incubator is homemade since I am doing this with my 11yo child and putting it together is a good learning experience, but I've been fine tuning it for several days and it seems like it should work out ok without cooking the eggs. The heat source is a 25 Watt lightbulb. I have 1/4" hardware cloth lining the bottom and this is elevated with some stones beneath the hardware cloth to help keep temps from falling too much (or for faster temp recovery) when it is opened for turning. I added a heat shield in front of the bulb since the temp was very high where eggs would sit in front of the bulb. No eggs will be beneath the bulb - I partitioned off that area of the incubator. See pics for more detail. One pic is looking through plexiglass window, next is with the lid removed.

Temp Question: Will my temp be OK? One thermometer is registering (at lowest point and nearest the heat source on other side of heat shield) reading 100F consistently. The other one is at 98F, however it is the farthest from the heat source and higher than where the eggs will be. The 25w is giving the closest temp at 100F closer to heat source, and it stays that temp consistently. I've tried 40w (much too hot - I got up to 111F then removed the bulb!). Also, tried 40w Eco bulb and this ran approx 103-105F as it uses less electricity. I've tried clear bulbs and soft-white but the same temp obtained for the same wattage, irregardless of clear or white bulb.

Egg Position: In pics you will see the cardboard trays. My plan is to add eggs and stack. Rotate 3x per day with top moving to bottom and both rotated 180 degrees. There is a piece of wood in place to support the trays on an approx 45 degree angle. I figured I could do this quickly and get top open and closed within a very short time. Concerned about mold growth and contamination overall, I did bake the paper tray in a 200F oven for approx 25 min to at least kill off some organisms. Additionally, I briefly researched mold growth/relative humidity/temp and looks ok for the 100F at 35-40% humidity target. Once they go to "lockdown" the tray is removed when humidity is increased, so the trays will no longer be in there. HOWEVER, should I use the paper trays or NOT? I could put all eggs on bottom of incubator and try to roll them (in a horizontal position) 3x per day, but concerned that all will not get rolled and this will be rougher on the eggs as I have 50 of them! Which is better? Any experience here?

Humidity note: Still working on this. I have gotten it as high as 60+ percent, with an open water container and sponge. However, to keep it at 35-45% is a little more challenging. I have a container with a lid and some holes poked in and it has gotten to 33%, so I am close to success. I just added stiff watercolor paper as a thin "wick" and this may increase it just that little extra - waiting to see.

Comments and Experience Please!
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I cant really help with the technical side of the incubator building and stuff... but i juat hatched out 91 C. Quail and have another 100 in the bator on lockdown due to hatch in the next couple days.
My temps stay between 99-100
And Humidity 45%-55% during incubating and 65%-75% durning hatching.
Im sorry I cant help anymore the that, but wanted to give my experiences on my recent hatches.
I hope someone comes on to help with the technical side of yout incubator there are alot of builders on here.
 
All I can add is CALIBRATE your thermometers to 100*F. I use a good medical grade thermometer and a glass of water. Of course it won't work for your digital thermometers. Have you read "hatching eggs 101" in the learning center? Very helpful information.

I've never incubated quail eggs before, but I do know that for still air with chickens the desired temp is 102*, and for forced air, the goal temp is 99.5 (I use 100 with good results). Double check your temps.

I use egg cartons for the first 14 days and then lay the eggs flat for the remainder. I much prefer styrofoam or plastic cartons b/c of the concern about bacterial contamination. I also like to use rubber waffle shelf liner on top of the HW cloth at hatch.
 
I don't know much about quail, but I do know about incubation. One of the most important things you need to do is get a good thermometer that you can CALIBRATE. Calibration is the most important thing. Otherwise you have no idea how accurate your thermometers are which means you don't know how accurate your incubator temperature is!
 
All I can add is CALIBRATE your thermometers to 100*F. I use a good medical grade thermometer and a glass of water. Of course it won't work for your digital thermometers. Have you read "hatching eggs 101" in the learning center? Very helpful information.

I've never incubated quail eggs before, but I do know that for still air with chickens the desired temp is 102*, and for forced air, the goal temp is 99.5 (I use 100 with good results). Double check your temps.

I use egg cartons for the first 14 days and then lay the eggs flat for the remainder. I much prefer styrofoam or plastic cartons b/c of the concern about bacterial contamination. I also like to use rubber waffle shelf liner on top of the HW cloth at hatch.

Good to know! Yes, I did read over the 101 section, and it was helpful. The temp is doing pretty well. My preference was not to use the paper trays, but was hoping that with heat treating it ahead of time, that would help the situation. I'll be keeping an eye on them and the trays. I figured that the waffle shelf liner might be the way to go, so I'll have to get some ahead of Day 15 when they are removed from the trays. Also, I'll need to learn how to candle the eggs - not as easy since they are darker and most have large dark patches and speckles. Definitely have been learning a lot through this process!
 
I cant really help with the technical side of the incubator building and stuff... but i juat hatched out 91 C. Quail and have another 100 in the bator on lockdown due to hatch in the next couple days.
My temps stay between 99-100
And Humidity 45%-55% during incubating and 65%-75% durning hatching.
Im sorry I cant help anymore the that, but wanted to give my experiences on my recent hatches.
I hope someone comes on to help with the technical side of yout incubator there are alot of builders on here.

Thanks Hope! Nice to hear you are having some good success! Also nice to see that while your humidity was a bit higher than what is recommended, you had very successful hatches. My humidity has been somewhat variable, but it seems to be in the range I'm targeting, so hopefully I've solved the humidity issue! Good luck on your next hatch!
 
Good to know! Yes, I did read over the 101 section, and it was helpful. The temp is doing pretty well. My preference was not to use the paper trays, but was hoping that with heat treating it ahead of time, that would help the situation. I'll be keeping an eye on them and the trays. I figured that the waffle shelf liner might be the way to go, so I'll have to get some ahead of Day 15 when they are removed from the trays. Also, I'll need to learn how to candle the eggs - not as easy since they are darker and most have large dark patches and speckles. Definitely have been learning a lot through this process!
I agree some of the Coturnix Quail eggs are hard to candle.
I use a egg candler i got of od amazon it had a attachment for the smaller eggs and i just make sure the room is really dark and i can see them moveing and the progress really good. You can try a high power flashlight and make a funnel out of paper towel roll?? I used one like that forever on my chicken eggs till i brokedown and bought one lol.

 
Thanks Hope! Nice to hear you are having some good success! Also nice to see that while your humidity was a bit higher than what is recommended, you had very successful hatches. My humidity has been somewhat variable, but it seems to be in the range I'm targeting, so hopefully I've solved the humidity issue! Good luck on your next hatch!
Thanks !!! You too! I did alot of searching everywhere for the humidity and temps because I have Texas A&M in the mix as well. They are vwey similar on all accounts. But the average i found was those temps and %.
Hope we get to see your pictures in a feew weeks of your new quails!
Good luck.

 
I cant really help with the technical side of the incubator building and stuff... but i juat hatched out 91 C. Quail and have another 100 in the bator on lockdown due to hatch in the next couple days.
My temps stay between 99-100
And Humidity 45%-55% during incubating and 65%-75% durning hatching.
Im sorry I cant help anymore the that, but wanted to give my experiences on my recent hatches.
I hope someone comes on to help with the technical side of yout incubator there are alot of builders on here.

This is what I use, and it works a treat.. 90% plus hatch rate. Remember to calibrate your thermometer, and to take account of your local humidity. For example, here in Belfast, humidity is usually really high, but it is freezing cold. I don't have to add much water to the bator..whereas someone in Texas might have to add a load.
 
I agree some of the Coturnix Quail eggs are hard to candle.
I use a egg candler i got of od amazon it had a attachment for the smaller eggs and i just make sure the room is really dark and i can see them moveing and the progress really good. You can try a high power flashlight and make a funnel out of paper towel roll?? I used one like that forever on my chicken eggs till i brokedown and bought one lol.

I just made a candler with a very bright LED flashlight. I used a square of soft black foam and made it slightly grippy and smooth with black electric tape. In addition, I was able to make a cuff of sorts with the black electrical tape to go around the top of the flashlight. The cuff is not sticky - I folded over the edge onto itself. The egg in the picture is from my fridge, so I wouldn't expect to see anything of interest - but It looks like it should be bright enough to do egg diagnostics, so I'm happy. I'm guessing my first candling exercise should be Day 4 or 5, then again Day 9 or 10.
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