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@SallyinIndiana and all others with experience.

Let's talk about removing spur casings from roosters.

-Is it totally necessary to remove spur casings? my opinion is it depends on the breed of the rooster and the hens he has in his pen.
-Is this something that has been practiced for years or is it something relatively new in terms of small farm flocks? Not sure

-At what age do you do it? no set age. we choose roosters over a year as we had a big gap in age most of our roosters were under 6 months or > 1.5 yrs old
-What happens if you don't do it? For us we had 3 different roosters in 3 different pens that had spurs well past 1.5 inches long and they were starting to curl in. They were sharp. It was hard to hold the rooster to check for lice without getting scratched. Then within a 2 week time frame, we had 2 hens in 2 of the 3 pens get mating injuries from the spurs.
-Do you separate them from the flock after removing spur casings? If so, for how long? I pulled mine out for at least 2 days from the flock they were with to make sure the spurs had clotted nicely. we did not just get the outer shell off like the potato method would. We sawed through the entire spur leaving only about 1/3 of an inch sticking out of the leg. Two of the 3 roosters went back in with their flocks after the 2 days. The other rooster was separated for about 4 weeks from his tiny flock of 9 because I had a bare back (overly mated while molting) hen as well as the other injured hens in that pen.
-Are you able to do it by yourself or do you need someone to help? My DH was able to do it himself. There was a bit of bleeding but we had flour on hand. If one is able to process a chicken then they should more than be able to stand the sight off the spur removal process. Still a second set of hands to hold the rooster so the noise of the saw does not spook him is better.
-Do you have any photos you can post? No, I was too busy holding the roosters.
-Any advice for first-time spur removers? Watch you tube videos of the different methods. Consider how the spur looks once the method is done as well as the effort each method takes. The hot potato method looked painful for the roster imo and there was a risk of me getting burned. I have baked potatoes in foil before ~ those things get very hot. The potato method reminded me of a dehorning or disbudding process for goats. While needed for some goats, disbudding does cause pain. I imagine removing spurs is the same for roosters, needed but some amount of pain is involved. The rotary saw did not seem to cause that much pain in our roosters. For a first timer, the pain of the animal should be mentioned not as a deterrent but as a this is part of it. After all if there are people who will talk to or cuddle a rooster right before putting it down, then I'm sure that there are people that will do the same for despurring both before and after the procedure.


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We have ONLY done this for 3 roosters. So I'm not an expert by any means. This is just what we learned from our 3 roosters.
 
A very quick efficient method is what we did on Gus before he went to Janets. We put a towel over his head for comfort while I held him. My DH turned on the air compressor and attached a small wizzer cutting wheel. We disinfected the wheel with alcohol. I held his leg while DH cut the spur about a half inch from the leg. It helps to candle the spur with a flashlight to see whats going on inside with the artery and where it is. It cut very smoothly and as it cut it cauterized the spur so no bleeding. I put a little neosporin on it (no pain killer) and put him on his roost for the night, as doing it after dark right before bed helps keep germs out for the fresh cut. They are in a little pain also so rest is good.The blood will come out like a dried out worm when you cut the spur so if see that dont freak out lol. Its actually kind of interesting. I really like that method so i don't have to worry about too much bleeding or the other chickens picking at the cut. Plus no bandaging required.
 
YAH!! The girls made it through the night. Went and checked on them at about midnight, before I went to bed, then I was up by 7:30 and they all where running around their coop and "playing" (if that is what chickens do)..... I had the heat lamp on all night, and according to the readings, the coop was at 59 this morning, (I have a digital reader so I can read it in the house)!! Just wonder if it drops more during winter, should I place another lamp in there to try and keep the, warm? The girls are only a month and 2 days old now. What do you all think?? I know these are probably stupid questions.... but I am a 1st time chicken owner, and I don't want to lose any cause of my stupidity!! Thanks

Here is another photo of the girls (& so far 1 roo) enjoying their more open space. I placed the brooder in the coop & removed a side so they could go in and out easily, & they had something they were use to having.... I'll be pulling that out within a week or so once they realize the coop is their perm home.



Close up of my one roo, I KNOW we have!

Very nice looking group. This is just my op. is what I would do personally, ( some don't agree ) At that age I would give heat, but I would and do and have,, put a divider up that will hold heat on one side and be open enough that they could get to it IF they wanted it. It worked great for my Silkies early Spring when I just had to get them outside, It was still chilly out a bit.

My major concern right now is cold / heat and their ages.... are they old enough to deal with the cool air at night being 1 month & 2 days old? I know they were to big now to be in the house, I had to get them outside, but I also don't want me to be rushing the process & ultimately risking their health / lives!!
You are a good momma, your instincts have always sounded good to me.

Nope. This is the right place. I hope someone has what you are looking for. I have some JGs, but I'm down to just boys to get rid of. A Black and a Splash.
I did not know there was a Splash JG??? bet that is awesome.

Hello, new here and live in Indiana, so i thpught i would jump in and say hi! I was hoping to find a forum that was more local.
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Welcome,
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The people here are great!! Have fun and learn all at the same time. You can learn here without even asking...

Yes you need to! I'm anxious to see them! Have you figured boys vs girls yet?
I have 4 that went into lockdown today for my sister. .I love hatch time! Hahaha
love love love pic's ( hint hint )
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good hatching
 
Caught up, AGAIN!!! lol Want ya'll's op on a chick, I think it is a wellie but the color is kinda light in my op. What do you think?

The pic aint the greatest sorry, but mom wont let me near them, and I'm not going to push till they are 3 weeks old.
Well it is official, my luck didn't hold this year. ALL my girls are in molt, well 99% of them I am getting 4 eggs a day and I have enough feathers on the ground to make a king sz feather bed... lol
To add to that most of them have the brown icky poops, any ideals on that? They are all heavy ( no weight loss ) they are eating, drinking and ranging as for the norm. And I have had to clean and trim Romeo's butt 2x this week already, ok Saturday and today.
The whole LF flock got into the garage while DSS was cleaning it out today ( yep he really did it ) and he said they were eating the Sweet feed ( goat feed ) could that have anything to do with it???( I have heard that the copper in the feed is not so good for chickens. ) he thought it wasnt fair that the Silkies and MF's didn't get any so he gave them some.

Did I mention how great it is to have 2 running trucks in the family again!!!!!
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My brother that lives in AZ and we don't ever get to see any more, came to town, we had a late dinner and lots of fun. It was great seeing my bro again!!!

Goodnight all
 
Ok well the dogs have me up at 2:30 am to go out....
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So I will try and finish what I started last night.

Pic's of mom and the new babies well they will be 2 weeks old Tuesday.


ok this is still taking way to long maybe I need to do a clean out.

Anyway, Cattle Update : BIL picked up 2 feeder calves for 1.72 a lb. He said those were among the higher but they were Angus. Said most were going for 1.19 lb and 1.62 lb. Said Bottle calves were few and still cheep, I asked what he was calling cheep and he said they were selling for 50.00 and 60.00 but all they had were Jersey's.
The larger cows were going for close to 2.00 lb. and the highest heifers were going for 2.19 lb and he said bulls were in the 1.95 -2.00 lb and about the same for steers. Hope this helps.

Cory Creek, I wasn't able to go this week end but had a Friend write down all she seen, and it is a long list, all kinds of chickens ranging from 5.00 to 30.00. they had 6 different breeds of duck and they were going in the range of 6.00 to 15.00. Had a pair of Peacocks just blue is what she says, no owner was around for her to ask, the had a price of 50.00 for the pair or 30.00 eh. Said they had Pigeons too but couldn't get prices on them, all she said was they were weird looking... lol sorry. She picked me up a boot warmer that I am going to try in my MF pen this year. She got it for 5.00.
And she said they had Roosters out the behind cheep as in 2 and 3.00. Of course they had their normal puppy mill pups there too.
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dont get me started on that!!

I have a job interview Tuesday, Wish me luck with that, really need a 2nd income around here.
The SS still has no job he isn't even looking. A friend of his wanted to get him on with the Laborers Union but he just disappeared for a few days and messed that up!!! Getting real annoyed at him. He is 23 and still running around acting like he is 16. Wanting money for this and tghat and not doing snot around here to help out even. I paid him 100.00 to help me get the barn and the garage cleaned out for the winter,,,, NOT!!!! I didnt want to give him the money till the job was done but DH said he would make sure he did the job!!! Well it's been 3 mths!!! End rant. just had to get that off my chest, thanks.
ok it's 4 am and I have an hour before I have to get up and start my day, going to bed, the dogs are in and I'm tired,
G-night all
So what auction did your BIL go to, thats pretty amazing on the price.
 
YAH!! The girls made it through the night. Went and checked on them at about midnight, before I went to bed, then I was up by 7:30 and they all where running around their coop and "playing" (if that is what chickens do)..... I had the heat lamp on all night, and according to the readings, the coop was at 59 this morning, (I have a digital reader so I can read it in the house)!! Just wonder if it drops more during winter, should I place another lamp in there to try and keep the, warm? The girls are only a month and 2 days old now. What do you all think?? I know these are probably stupid questions.... but I am a 1st time chicken owner, and I don't want to lose any cause of my stupidity!! Thanks

Here is another photo of the girls (& so far 1 roo) enjoying their more open space. I placed the brooder in the coop & removed a side so they could go in and out easily, & they had something they were use to having.... I'll be pulling that out within a week or so once they realize the coop is their perm home.



Close up of my one roo, I KNOW we have!


No stupid questions at all, just being a good chicken mom! Handsome lil guy! And adorable flock too.
There is a lot of good discussion on heated coops. I don;t heat all my coops, I only heat the birds that need it in a single coop. I also watch for severe temps, some species can't tolerate subzero temps period. Naturally feathered large frame birds usually won't need heat, but each of us have to decide that for ourselves. (muscovy for example, mine wouldn't stay inside their house!) But our winter last year was harsher than the norm also. I have learned to plan in advance for those situations now.
Quote: You are doing what I would do. good luck with her.
 
Quote: Oh goodness yes! And Gus jr and Cricket jr too! Lil Gus has a smaller comb so far.. but he is not fully mature yet. Cricket is taking after Gus, the comb is getting pretty big LOL! All 3 boys are quite popular with the ladies. Gus has much better manners than my Red around people, he runs from me tho, I picked him up too much I guess.

did I just post in the wrong place? i am sorry, i get excited thinking about being able to restart my flock and all other thoughts are gone. LOL
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Nope, you found the right place!

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LOL never, I can talk critter all day! Thanks so much for the compliment, @Little Ameraucana Mom is the breeder of my lavenders and blacks also, except my brooding girl Huey with the eggs.. My chocolates are from my original 4. Love them, just the sweetest, most personable ducks. I really like their ability to fly and roost in a tree too, much better for them free ranging. You guys were like 3 minutes apart, I know you had a long drive back. DH was so disappointed he missed everyone. But he really had fun at the 4x4 jamboree, and sold his axles too!

Quote: You are like me, I know warning signs and stop right then and grab them. I realized my old guy Red had wrapped his foot in string, and grabbed him up right then while racin was here. We then realized he had we thought bumblefoot on one side. Red had severe frostbite on that foot and lost a toe last year, and has had foot problems ever since. Red is NOT a rooster that likes being touched anymore, but he was acting pretty calm. I knew then he wasn't feeling good. I took him in the house, washed his feet after everyone had gone and found he had a bad cut on the bottom of his foot. He is getting his foot soaked and antibiotic ointment, vet wrap and caged. Also oral antibiotics to be sure the infection is stopped. Talk about evil stares from my old guy
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but he is sure liking all the yummy blueberry, melon and yogurt treats and mealies right now. Once he heals those huge spurs are going, had not realized they are over an inch long, ugh.
 
So excited! Tomorrow I will have a tracking number to impatiently watch shipping progress of my new babies (for those that missed previously posted** white peachicks**)! I'll post pictures when I get them settled in.

Worries me!!

I am soooo excited for you, and yep I missed the post
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I keep missing whole pages somehow, makes me crazy. I always open the next page on a new tab, even before I read the current page. When you start to have laying peahens, please let me know. I would love to add them again but hatch my own. I feel its a night and day difference in the bonding with my birds if I hatch and hand raise them myself. All my hatchery or added birds usually take a lot longer to trust.
I don't know if it's frowned upon to talk about them, since they are hidden from everyone except the person receiving them, so my apologies if it is. However, I apparently hit 1000 Ovation while I was at class today!!
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I dunno, that's kind of exciting, right?
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Next big BYC accomplishment for me will probably be 5000 posts and the Flock Master title!
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Only 91 posts to go!






I have goals outside of BYC, I swear I do...
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Its very exciting and congrats on the ovations
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ROFL I have goals here, and its given me goals for my farm too. I don't individually post each thought tho, it would clog this thread up terribly lol, most of us, and as you do it too, just quote a page at a time.

Quote: I like having a lot of onesies and twosies.. I can see if I like that breed. I have a lot of single breed birds from so many places and just love it. Love the color of the egg basket too, makes it really fun sharing my eggs. There are some dedicated folks here raising silkies so they may be in your future
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Quote: They are big. He may be one of my biggest roos already, and he isn't full grown yet. I've been very happy with this group. The hatchery JG I got never got any bigger than the average hen.
I am still really intrigued by the JGs, you saw my tiny JG hens ROFL
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Hatchery birds do not give a good example of the breed.

Quote: I really think the younger birds need something worms offer (protein is my first thought) most of my older birds don't get excited on bugs. But my oldest EE Bunny sure trumps every bird here when I have meat scraps for them! So i feel its the breed's needs, age, and the individual bird too. Either way I am always trying to add proteins to their diet, we are raising mice now, and am starting my fish tanks up again for the winter.
 
So what auction did your BIL go to, thats pretty amazing on the price.
Rockville auction barn

I am soooo excited for you, and yep I missed the post
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I keep missing whole pages somehow, makes me crazy. I always open the next page on a new tab, even before I read the current page. When you start to have laying peahens, please let me know. I would love to add them again but hatch my own. I feel its a night and day difference in the bonding with my birds if I hatch and hand raise them myself. All my hatchery or added birds usually take a lot longer to trust.
Its very exciting and congrats on the ovations
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ROFL I have goals here, and its given me goals for my farm too. I don't individually post each thought tho, it would clog this thread up terribly lol, most of us, and as you do it too, just quote a page at a time.

I like having a lot of onesies and twosies.. I can see if I like that breed. I have a lot of single breed birds from so many places and just love it. Love the color of the egg basket too, makes it really fun sharing my eggs. There are some dedicated folks here raising silkies so they may be in your future
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I am still really intrigued by the JGs, you saw my tiny JG hens ROFL
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Hatchery birds do not give a good example of the breed.

I really think the younger birds need something worms offer (protein is my first thought) most of my older birds don't get excited on bugs. But my oldest EE Bunny sure trumps every bird here when I have meat scraps for them! So i feel its the breed's needs, age, and the individual bird too. Either way I am always trying to add proteins to their diet, we are raising mice now, and am starting my fish tanks up again for the winter.
what do you do with the fish tanks?
 
Hello, new here and live in Indiana, so i thpught i would jump in and say hi! I was hoping to find a forum that was more local.
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Please do, feel at home and glad you have joined us.
Quote: Good post. I try to watch roos close and the boys that are not good, caring roos do not stay. Early signs with them are the head down, chasing roos that terrify my hens. Roosters that have to chase are not a good rooster here, and they will be penned until they can find a better home. I do usually remove spurs roo. Be very glad to catch up and ensure my flocks are ready for winter.

@SallyinIndiana and all others with experience.

Let's talk about removing spur casings from roosters.

-Is it totally necessary to remove spur casings?
-Is this something that has been practiced for years or is it something relatively new in terms of small farm flocks?

-At what age do you do it?
-What happens if you don't do it?
-Do you separate them from the flock after removing spur casings? If so, for how long?
-Are you able to do it by yourself or do you need someone to help?
-Do you have any photos you can post?
-Any advice for first-time spur removers?


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I use a cutoff saw air driven.. and there is no blood but I still use antibiotic ointment to protect my rooster.
I do this when they are around a year old.
I have no pics cant find my camera
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If I don't do this, my hens may be injured. Spurs are sharp accidents happen.
I need help, one person. I don't want to injure my rooster.
I have lost a hen because I didn't do this. Its not the roosters fault, he didn't know his spurs could kill her.
First time, I got help; but its not that hard. Anyone trying it first time please post a lot. It upset me a lot, I really love my guys.

Quote: No biggie its easy to misread when we are tired
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