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I think I may be in love too!  That 2nd pic reminds me of a Dorking you posted a while back. (She'he has the same "chicken therapist" look.)


Oh, my, that was a while ago! I believe this is the picture you're thinking of? Miss Elly at under a year old. I can hardly believe I'm saying this, but she'll be 3 this year! :eek: Been a love since day one, though!

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Abra (the Silkied Cochin baby) has a lot of the same traits, but she's a lot sassier. It comes from being a bantam Cochin, I think. All the sweetness of the large Cochins with twice the attitude! :lol: Cochins have definitely gotten a firm hold on second place for my favorite breed, only second to my sweet Dorkings. :love

The similarity is rather uncanny, though, isn't it?

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The Barnevelder is a Barnevelder and is seen in an ad which is plainly for Barnevelders that mentions the seller also has BT Araucanas. A specimen can be a poor quality specimen and, nevertheless, be a specimen of a given breed. The two in the oldest BT ads (for two roosters) were mixes and identified as such in at least one posting of that ad. Sometimes muffs and beards get pulled out, sometimes birds were heterozygous and produce clean-faced sports. $15 is not exactly what Greenfire Farms would be selling said imports for, so I'll assume said birds are mixes or poor quality or the seller is just desperate to get rid of a bird. He may be an F# outcross for the intent of improving this or that trait in the breed, which kind of has a tiny gene pool in the States (ie, prone to inbreeding and poor specimens being reserved for breeding in  a program just to churn out more chicks), and either of these easy explanations can pretty well apply to said birds in all photos. To improve crests and/or beards, Polish or CCL might very well be used. 

Not all people prefer Silkies or Polish with beards either, so I figure it's largely up to breeders. I don't prefer bearded birds, and I'm not showing this unshowable breed anyway, so the presence of said birds on craigslist for under $20 certainly isn't going to offend me. I'm far more offended by people who want $100 for PQ (at best) Serama hatchlings and that kind of crazy crap. Or game breeders with crummy looking birds for sale at exorbitant prices. Or hoarders. Or neglect. 


Not disagreeing, I was just saying that the lacing on that Barnevelder is, well, not great, to say the least...

Also not disagreeing that a poor quality specimen is still technically a specimen of the breed, but it's like the hatchery Rhode Island Reds that were being talked about a few pages back. At a certain point, the quality is so poor that it hardly represents what the breed should be. And any good breeder would say as much, or at least mention that the bird is not good quality, certainly not claiming that he is 'good looking' when he barely looks like the breed they're claiming him to be. Same goes for a throwback to an outcross. You just don't advertise those as the real deal unless you don't know what you're talking about. There are plenty of instances of, for example, Silver Ameraucanas being crossed to Black Ameraucanas to improve on size and type, but the early F# crosses, and even later ones that show leakage or inappropriate coloration, are NOT sold as the real deal--even though for all purposes, they are pure Ameraucanas! That's simply dishonest, especially when you're claiming said bird to be a 'good looking' specimen. I stand by what I said, those birds are either very poor quality or they're mixed breeds. Maybe the people who posted that ad don't know any better, as is the case for the thousands of 'Americaunas' and 'Aracaunas' and 'Americana / Aracanas' that are still being sold by backyard breeders who have no clue of what a true Araucana or Ameraucana looks like, but that still doesn't make it an accurate representative of the breed.

As for the two back in January, the reason why I keep saying they look like Polish x Easter-eggers is because there is no reason to believe there's any kind of British Tailed Araucana in their mix. The person didn't mention the words 'British' or 'Tailed' at all in the ad, just 'Araucana', which as you know is a name commonly tacked on to feed store Easter-eggers. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that they got 'Araucanas' from the feed store and crossed those with Polish to get those birds. That's all I'm saying there.

I said no offense meant because I didn't mean to offend with anything I said, and same goes with this post. Well, and I have no spine. :oops: But it really bugs me to see breeds misrepresented, and I like to help educate, especially in cases like this when there is already enough confusion about, well, pretty much all the '-cana' breeds!
 
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I will not get shipped chicks, and never will. I will get hatching eggs shipped, and had to learn how to hatch. The first time hatching didn't work very well. After that I got a different incubator, and learned what my mistake was, and since have had very good hatches as long as the hatching eggs are good quality.

I have eight eggs incubating now, that I picked up locally. They are a South American breed call Colloncas (the S stays on the end like Marans). They are extremely difficult to find, so really very fortunate to find a source locally.

Hopefully I can find another unrelated source to minimize inbreeding.
 
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There is no such breed as "hatchery Rhode Island Reds". They are Production Reds. Not at all like the real thing. Hatcheries should call them by what they really are. I don't know why they won't, possibly they think it may lower their sales.
 
I searched for British Tailed Araucanas a few years ago, and didn't find that any had ever been imported to the U.S. I saw an ad on Craig's List last year advertising them around the Indy area, and contacted the seller, who didn't remember where they were from (wouldn't you keep track of where a rare breed is from?), and the poor quality pics didn't look quite right.

After more conversation, I got out of the seller that they probably were not British Tailed Aracaunas, as the seller was trying to BREED A ROOSTER TO LOOK like BTAs.
 
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Oh, my, that was a while ago! I believe this is the picture you're thinking of? Miss Elly at under a year old. I can hardly believe I'm saying this, but she'll be 3 this year!
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Abra (the Silkied Cochin baby) has a lot of the same traits, but she's a lot sassier. It comes from being a bantam Cochin, I think. All the sweetness of the large Cochins with twice the attitude!
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Cochins have definitely gotten a firm hold on second place for my favorite breed, only second to my sweet Dorkings.
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The similarity is rather uncanny, though, isn't it?

There's just something about that pose. I like how they're both looking up lovingly at you while being cuddled.
 
Hi, thanks! Do you think a bantam Cochin roo could successfully breed with a large fowl hen? I really don't want bantams, but I'd like to find a way to get the Mille Fleur pattern into my standard size chickens. It might be worth a shot to try.

Yes they manage to figure it out!
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I learned that the hard way, years ago I just didn't think it was possible and I saw him trying but just falling off all the time. Well I was wrong. Haha! Even very young cockerels I also learned not to trust they don't get a "stab" at it. Being young with dominant roos around didn't matter either!

I now make sure my girls are separated until I know they aren't fertile then I place only the roo I want with them. I've gotten burned a few times until I started doing this.

The Mille Fleur pattern is complicated so you may want to do some research about what you could breed them to for better odds of carrying on that pattern. It will take a few generations but is possible. May be more difficult if you only plan to hatch in small numbers. From brief reading and trust me it's a big debate but seems it may be doable with the MF pattern and the Speckled Sussex. I'm not great with genetics but you have the start of somewhat mottled with the SS and the Large fowl frame. Even though it reads as the SS is a mahogany base vs buff. Sooo it seems it would be quite the project. I guess it all depends what your goals are.
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Yes, I've done a bit of reading on the Mille Fleur genetics. Last year I bought some MF Leghorns from a guy in Aurora. He said that speckled sussex was used often, and interchangeably while the variety was being developed. It appears that whether you strive for a redder background or a more buff-yellow background depends on preference. I believe MF is a combo of buff, Colombian and mottle. So I will see what I can do about combining all three of those, hopefully in a large fowl. To start, I won't care about breed type. I've been thinking of calling them "MFLFM"'s! (Mille Fleur Large Fowl Mutts) :D

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There is no such breed as "hatchery Rhode Island Reds".  They are Production Reds.  Not at all like the real thing.  Hatcheries should call them by what they really are.  I don't know why they won't, possibly they think it may lower their sales.


That was my point. As far as why they won't just call them Production Reds, it's likely the same reason as why they won't call their Easter-eggers Easter-eggers. Last I heard, when people have asked about the Easter-eggers, they've been told that 'there is no such breed'. Well, that's true, there is no such breed as an 'Easter-egger' because it's a term for a mix with specific traits, but that still doesn't make it right to sell those birds as 'Americaunas'.





I searched for British Tailed Araucanas a few years ago, and didn't find that any had ever been imported to the U.S.  I saw an ad on Craig's List last year advertising them around the Indy area, and contacted the seller, who didn't remember where they were from (wouldn't you keep track of where a rare breed is from?), and the poor quality pics didn't look quite right.

After more conversation, I got out of the seller that they probably were not British Tailed Aracaunas, as the seller was trying to BREED A ROOSTER TO LOOK like BTAs.


Now I'm starting to wonder if I had heard correctly or if they had been imported at all... :/ Shame on people!

Editing to add, I did a quick search and found absolutely nothing about them being imported here. I have no idea where I got that. :lol:





There's just something about that pose.  I like how they're both looking up lovingly at you while being cuddled.


I know, aren't they something? :love Is it any wonder why I'm head over heels for these guys?
 
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I will not get shipped chicks, and never will. I will get hatching eggs shipped, and had to learn how to hatch. The first time hatching didn't work very well. After that I got a different incubator, and learned what my mistake was, and since have had very good hatches as long as the hatching eggs are good quality.

I have eight eggs incubating now, that I picked up locally. They are a South American breed call Colloncas (the S stays on the end like Marans). They are extremely difficult to find, so really very fortunate to find a source locally.

Hopefully I can find another unrelated source to minimize inbreeding.
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Now I have questions! (And I'm thinking you could discuss this on the Natural Chicken Keeping Thread too....)

I have been pretty negative about shipped chicks and birds myself in general for many reasons that I won't go into here. Suffice to say that I've done some "chicken pick-up" drives in my chicken keeping days!) Anyhow....

-What kind of incubator are you using and how did you decide which one to get?
-And.....Can you give us an education on the Colloncas? From what you said before they are monogamous? You have my interest piqued!

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