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[ShawnaScott]

mlongworth & CCCCCCCC:

I find it so silly how some people react to dogs. My MIL has a very big German Shepherd and I was walking her on the sidewalk. She is not a bad dog at all, really very sweet. I had a mother take her son INTO THE ROAD to avoid walking near her. I was just like, you do realize I wouldn't walk a dog that would hurt someone? I understand caution with unfamiliar dogs but outright fear of her just because she's big/breed/etc.? I don't understand that.

 

[PeacefulWalls]

I am going to add my 2 cents on to John's Quail Cage Instructions.

My only experience is with Coturnix and Japanese Painted Button quail, so these observations come from that,

I would avoid using 1/2" x 1" hardware cloth at all. We recently had our first raccoon trouble and found that they are fully capable of reaching through that size and ripping a snack off of a poor sleeping quail.

1/2" wire solved that problem.

Quail startle extremely easy and their reflex is flight. They explode from the ground with great force. They can break their own necks, on the cage roof, from that force. For that reason cage height should be quite tall or really short. I have found that 10 inches in height keeps my quail calm and they don't bounce of the ceiling.

For the bottom of the cage I use 1/4" hardware cloth. I think it is easier on their tiny feet. The drawback to that size is that not all the droppings fall through. I also like to put boards in the cage so they do not have to be on wire all the time.

God Bless the inventor of zip ties!! How did I ever survive without them? You can use the handy rabbit wire clips on the 1/2" cloth, but they won't fit on the 1/4' cloth. Use zip ties like John suggests. Cheap and fast. (The zip ties. Not John.

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Coturnix quail are terribly messy eaters, in my experience. They seem to stick their entire heads down into the feeders and shake them, Food just flies out of the feeders! Do your homework on the feeders or be prepared for a startling amount of waste.

Be aware that chicken math applies to quail, too. They are mature and laying at 6 weeks of age. The eggs hatch in 17 days. It would be real easy to get carried away in no time.

Uh-oh! You mean we're going to have to deal with quail math too??!!

How often do quail hatch their own eggs or do we only have to worry about quail math if someone again generously offers to do a hatch for the daughter "just so she can try them" ?

lol! Thanks, too, for your input on constructing cages. We need to start planning what we're going to do now.

 

[bradselig]

I am a huge dog lover, however I also would have taken my kid in the street. You may not ever walk an aggressive dog, but many others will. From my experience working at a vet clinic, German shepherds are the most likely breed to bite. I got to be the big dog holder while working there so I had the chance to be up close and personal with the majority of the large breeds. I will never own a GSD.

As far as pits, I'm not sure why everyone thinks they are the only breed that doesn't follow their instinct? I've talked about this before on here so I not want to be beating a dead horse. But a lab retrieves, border collies herd, pointers point, etc. most of the breeds were bred for a job and still have the instinct t do that job. Can this instinct be bred out of the breed? Absolutely but it takes time and effort. Pitbulls were bred for a job, but they magically all forgot this and Bly act out because they were raised to to it? I think not!
I'm not saying pits are bad or good. I'm saying every breed was bred for a certain reason and still act upon those instincts. It takes responsible owners and breeders to be owning these breeds and making them the family pets they should be. I think dobermans and boxers are great examples of what can happen to a breed. Both of these were once used as protection dogs, yet that instinct has pretty much been bred out. Of course there are still bloodlines out there for protection, but great efforts have made both breeds great companions. Pit bulls are nowhere near this point with all the puppy mills and backyard breeders breeding to produce quantity, not quality and bettering the breed.

Is that dead horse even more dead now?

 

[animallover2202]

does anyone know how to train a dog aggrsive dog? my dog doesnt like big dogs and i dont want my dogs getting into a fight and i dont wanna keep my dogs from seeing eachother or the chickens ive tried almost everything but nothing works anyhelp is good

 

[bradselig]

does anyone know how to train a dog aggrsive dog? my dog doesnt like big dogs and i dont want my dogs getting into a fight and i dont wanna keep my dogs from seeing eachother or the chickens ive tried almost everything but nothing works anyhelp is good

IMO, aggression with a dog should be professionally handled.

 

[ShawnaScott]

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Originally Posted by animallover2202

does anyone know how to train a dog aggrsive dog? my dog doesnt like big dogs and i dont want my dogs getting into a fight and i dont wanna keep my dogs from seeing eachother or the chickens ive tried almost everything but nothing works anyhelp is good



IMO, aggression with a dog should be professionally handled.

I agree. I'm not sure that Misty's aggression is true dog aggression, otherwise I would not attempt to train her out of it. I am a strong believer that true dog aggression and true people aggression cannot be trained out of a dog. I'm sure that there are people who believe otherwise, but I would never stake two dog's lives on it.

 

[Chic-n-farmer]

I just lost 5 chicks to the gnats. I have move 5 more in the house and I am spraying bigger chicks 3 times a day. My turkeys I have moved to a dark place they have bites on there heads.

I am very sorry. The allergic reaction can be very strong in smaller birds. The more bites they have the harder it is to recover.

Some people have severe reactions to them too.

Try stronger scents, Like the vanilla oils or body sprays. Avoid their eyes but spray them well.

 

[Chic-n-farmer]

Uh-oh! You mean we're going to have to deal with quail math too??!!

How often do quail hatch their own eggs or do we only have to worry about quail math if someone again generously offers to do a hatch for the daughter "just so she can try them" ?

lol! Thanks, too, for your input on constructing cages. We need to start planning what we're going to do now.

Nope. They won't hatch the eggs on their own. It's only pure human willpower that will help you avoid the math in this case.

 

[animallover2202]

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does anyone know how to train a dog aggrsive dog? my dog doesnt like big dogs and i dont want my dogs getting into a fight and i dont wanna keep my dogs from seeing eachother or the chickens ive tried almost everything but nothing works anyhelp is good

IMO, aggression with a dog should be professionally handled.

I agree. I'm not sure that Misty's aggression is true dog aggression, otherwise I would not attempt to train her out of it. I am a strong believer that true dog aggression and true people aggression cannot be trained out of a dog. I'm sure that there are people who believe otherwise, but I would never stake two dog's lives on it.  

shes ok if shes at a dog park but if shes at the house she a brat so i dont know but im hoping the training lession i get monday for her to learn sit stay lay down and come will help some with it but theres a place that trains dogs thats aggressive to people and/or dogs but thats lot of money anyways she ok with cats and chickens just not big dogs but lets hope for the best right?

 

[Quinstar]

After dark, always. Lest the neighbors be aghast. And, or course, in my particular case, impressed beyond words.

I almost spit out my coffee on to my computer while reading this.

I am a huge dog lover, however I also would have taken my kid in the street. You may not ever walk an aggressive dog, but many others will. From my experience working at a vet clinic, German shepherds are the most likely breed to bite. I got to be the big dog holder while working there so I had the chance to be up close and personal with the majority of the large breeds. I will never own a GSD.

As far as pits, I'm not sure why everyone thinks they are the only breed that doesn't follow their instinct? I've talked about this before on here so I not want to be beating a dead horse. But a lab retrieves, border collies herd, pointers point, etc. most of the breeds were bred for a job and still have the instinct t do that job. Can this instinct be bred out of the breed? Absolutely but it takes time and effort. Pitbulls were bred for a job, but they magically all forgot this and Bly act out because they were raised to to it? I think not!
I'm not saying pits are bad or good. I'm saying every breed was bred for a certain reason and still act upon those instincts. It takes responsible owners and breeders to be owning these breeds and making them the family pets they should be. I think dobermans and boxers are great examples of what can happen to a breed. Both of these were once used as protection dogs, yet that instinct has pretty much been bred out. Of course there are still bloodlines out there for protection, but great efforts have made both breeds great companions. Pit bulls are nowhere near this point with all the puppy mills and backyard breeders breeding to produce quantity, not quality and bettering the breed.

Is that dead horse even more dead now?

I generally tend to agree with you. I don't know that I would say protection has been bred out of Dobermans though or even the boxers I've known. I'm on my second Dobe and both have been incredibly protective of me and our home. My male Faust would have torn someone apart if they had tried to harm me, but was the sweetest most gentle boy any other time. This is a big part of why chose the breed. That being said, they are fantastic dogs and I highly recommend them for anyone with the time and patience to dedicate to their high energy level. I feel like the breeds have been toned down on the protection and combat sides definitely, but those trait are still highly evident, at least with the dogs of both breeds that I've had experience with.

As far as pits go, they are both over bred and highly misunderstood. I don't remember where I read it so I could be completely wrong, but I remember reading that the most common dog bites actually come from golden retrievers. The problem is that when it comes to dog bite fatalities Pits and Rotties top out the charts. I feel like it's the difference between giving someone a .22 or a magnum. One injures and one demolishes. Same with the dogs. Pits were bred for their bite, specifically. They were bred to latch on tight and not let go. Just looking at their history, it's not wonder that these dogs got a reputation for being vicious. They were taken from bull and bear baiting, to rat pits and dog fights. That's a pretty barbaric past. It will take a long time of dedicated breeding and ownership to help turn the Pits reputation around. Media doesn't exactly do us any favors with this either.

Ugh... I need to stop now. I blame you Bradselig!