Please note that this information DOES NOT pertain to GFF/Green Fire Farms line of "Indio Gigante", which are not true Indio Gigante, it is only for TRUE BRAZILIAN Indio Gigante.
Expectations:
Birds over 40"
Birds reaching 45"
Every offspring of large birds to be 40"+
Lots of eggs
5+ year lifespans
True to color breeding
Early male/female dimorphism
Lets talk about it!
It seems there is a lot of expectations and misconceptions with Indio Gigante.
Let's start from the beginning!
Indio Gigante is not a recognized breed in the United States; it is not a recognized breed anywhere, though Brazil (country of origin) does expect it to happen in the 2020's, and they do have an association (ABRACIG).
What does this mean? It means the breed itself is still a work in progress- even in Brazil. Though Brazil may be close to accepting the breed as a true pure bred breed, there are still features they're working on; and working out.
So, what are they still working on? Well! Indio Gigante was created by crossing Malayoid breeds (like Malay or Shamo) with Caipira. This means that sometimes their ancestral parentage leaks through at times, which can give individuals features more favored towards Malay, Shamo, or Caipira. This would include short heights, wattles, or unfavorable combs, even if the direct parent(s) of said individual meet SOP. This is because Indios do not breed true (also one reason why they haven't been accepted as a true breed in the States by the APA).
The discouraging part about their breeding hurdles is that even if you have a 43" rooster, and a 40" hen (which would be rare in the States), you're *absolutely not guaranteed* to hatch out similar sized birds. You're absolutely not guaranteed to hatch out similar colors as parents. There is also no guarantee on comb, wattles, or beak size/shape. This can get frustrating because some qualities that can be passed down even when not present in parents, would automatically qualify the offspring(s) as a cull bird/not fit for breeding- such as wattles or single spiked combs.
I just want there to be a clear understanding that if you buy Indio Gigante chicks/individuals/eggs, that you understand you're NOT guaranteed to produce good, SOP quality offspring. There is SO MUCH work being done with this breed, that it is very much still a project bird. Breeders and importers in the States - ESPECIALLY RRA (Rare Rooster Acres), has done the most AMAZING work with this breed. RRA has the cream of the crop line, and they still produce less than ideal birds to no fault of their own. They also produce the BEST birds in the States.
ABRACIG (Brazilian Association of Giant Indian Breeders) SOP
(translated Portuguese/English)
Registered on April 1, 2012
Family: Phasianidae
Sub-family: Phasianinae
Genus: Gallus
Species: Domesticus
Breed: GIANT INDIAN
Breed Origin/ Country of origin: Brazil
Forming breeds: Descendant of combatant breeds (rinha), pure breeds (Shamo and Malay) and Brazilian free-range chicken Caipira.
Morphological Characteristics: (Physiology) aptitude: Ornamental.
Size: Giant.
Musculature: Prominent, highlighting the musculature of the chest and thigh. Plumage: Short, hard, sparse feathers, fitted to the body and of all colors.
Skin and mucous membranes: Yellow.
Head: Medium to large, harmonic, convex.
Crest: Triple or ball, well defined.
Face: Smooth or wrinkled.
Auricles: Oval, smooth of moderate size. Eyes: Large, of all colors.
Beak: Medium, vigorous, slightly curved, yellow or horned.
Barbels: single (beef dewlap) with no size restriction, Double with total absence or at most 1 cm, fine and soft textured
Neck (rooster): Long with abundant clavine, floating over the shoulders, slightly arched.
Neck (hen): Long, slightly arched, proportionate, tapering to the head.
Back: Medium to long, moderately broad throughout and tapering to the base of the tail, slightly arched.
Chest: Full and prominent, generally devoid of feathers at the point of the keel.
Wings: Broad, fitted to the body, ending at the base of the tail.
Tail (rooster): Medium to small, with well highlighted and curved sickles, apparent inner feathers and outer feathers covering the base of the tail. Horizontal or down.
Tail (hen): Medium to small, more closed than the male. Horizontal or down.
Thigh: Long, muscular with very little feather, upright, with a very prominent insertion on the body, the shins should be free of feathers.
Fingers: Four in total, long and well distributed, the back finger should be firmly on the ground.
Legs and feet: Yellow, orange.
MINIMUM HEIGHT (length)
Rooster: from 100 cm/39.37in
Hen: from 85 cm/33.46in
WEIGHTS
Rooster: from 44.5
Hen: from 3 kg.
Egg: Medium to large size.
Egg Color: white, beige, red, blue and green (weight: 55 to 75g).
Laying onset: Approximately 180 days. Annual laying: 160-250 eggs.
Males Reproductive life: Up to 4 years on average, when it starts to gradually decline . Maturity of the bird: It enters the period of maturity at 6 months, reaching fullness at 20 months, an age considered ideal for exhibitions.
Reproduction: Starting at 7 months, it can be used up to 4 years, being ideal to use it up to 30 months Maturity of the bird: It enters the period of maturity at 7 months, reaching fullness at 20 months, an age considered ideal for exhibitions.
2 year old rooster (above)
7 month old stag (above)
5 month old stag (above)
12 month old hen (above)
Have any questions or more info to add? Let's talk!
Expectations:
Birds over 40"
Birds reaching 45"
Every offspring of large birds to be 40"+
Lots of eggs
5+ year lifespans
True to color breeding
Early male/female dimorphism
Lets talk about it!
It seems there is a lot of expectations and misconceptions with Indio Gigante.
Let's start from the beginning!
Indio Gigante is not a recognized breed in the United States; it is not a recognized breed anywhere, though Brazil (country of origin) does expect it to happen in the 2020's, and they do have an association (ABRACIG).
What does this mean? It means the breed itself is still a work in progress- even in Brazil. Though Brazil may be close to accepting the breed as a true pure bred breed, there are still features they're working on; and working out.
So, what are they still working on? Well! Indio Gigante was created by crossing Malayoid breeds (like Malay or Shamo) with Caipira. This means that sometimes their ancestral parentage leaks through at times, which can give individuals features more favored towards Malay, Shamo, or Caipira. This would include short heights, wattles, or unfavorable combs, even if the direct parent(s) of said individual meet SOP. This is because Indios do not breed true (also one reason why they haven't been accepted as a true breed in the States by the APA).
The discouraging part about their breeding hurdles is that even if you have a 43" rooster, and a 40" hen (which would be rare in the States), you're *absolutely not guaranteed* to hatch out similar sized birds. You're absolutely not guaranteed to hatch out similar colors as parents. There is also no guarantee on comb, wattles, or beak size/shape. This can get frustrating because some qualities that can be passed down even when not present in parents, would automatically qualify the offspring(s) as a cull bird/not fit for breeding- such as wattles or single spiked combs.
I just want there to be a clear understanding that if you buy Indio Gigante chicks/individuals/eggs, that you understand you're NOT guaranteed to produce good, SOP quality offspring. There is SO MUCH work being done with this breed, that it is very much still a project bird. Breeders and importers in the States - ESPECIALLY RRA (Rare Rooster Acres), has done the most AMAZING work with this breed. RRA has the cream of the crop line, and they still produce less than ideal birds to no fault of their own. They also produce the BEST birds in the States.
ABRACIG (Brazilian Association of Giant Indian Breeders) SOP
(translated Portuguese/English)
Registered on April 1, 2012
Family: Phasianidae
Sub-family: Phasianinae
Genus: Gallus
Species: Domesticus
Breed: GIANT INDIAN
Breed Origin/ Country of origin: Brazil
Forming breeds: Descendant of combatant breeds (rinha), pure breeds (Shamo and Malay) and Brazilian free-range chicken Caipira.
Morphological Characteristics: (Physiology) aptitude: Ornamental.
Size: Giant.
Musculature: Prominent, highlighting the musculature of the chest and thigh. Plumage: Short, hard, sparse feathers, fitted to the body and of all colors.
Skin and mucous membranes: Yellow.
Head: Medium to large, harmonic, convex.
Crest: Triple or ball, well defined.
Face: Smooth or wrinkled.
Auricles: Oval, smooth of moderate size. Eyes: Large, of all colors.
Beak: Medium, vigorous, slightly curved, yellow or horned.
Barbels: single (beef dewlap) with no size restriction, Double with total absence or at most 1 cm, fine and soft textured
Neck (rooster): Long with abundant clavine, floating over the shoulders, slightly arched.
Neck (hen): Long, slightly arched, proportionate, tapering to the head.
Back: Medium to long, moderately broad throughout and tapering to the base of the tail, slightly arched.
Chest: Full and prominent, generally devoid of feathers at the point of the keel.
Wings: Broad, fitted to the body, ending at the base of the tail.
Tail (rooster): Medium to small, with well highlighted and curved sickles, apparent inner feathers and outer feathers covering the base of the tail. Horizontal or down.
Tail (hen): Medium to small, more closed than the male. Horizontal or down.
Thigh: Long, muscular with very little feather, upright, with a very prominent insertion on the body, the shins should be free of feathers.
Fingers: Four in total, long and well distributed, the back finger should be firmly on the ground.
Legs and feet: Yellow, orange.
MINIMUM HEIGHT (length)
Rooster: from 100 cm/39.37in
Hen: from 85 cm/33.46in
WEIGHTS
Rooster: from 44.5
Hen: from 3 kg.
Egg: Medium to large size.
Egg Color: white, beige, red, blue and green (weight: 55 to 75g).
Laying onset: Approximately 180 days. Annual laying: 160-250 eggs.
Males Reproductive life: Up to 4 years on average, when it starts to gradually decline . Maturity of the bird: It enters the period of maturity at 6 months, reaching fullness at 20 months, an age considered ideal for exhibitions.
Reproduction: Starting at 7 months, it can be used up to 4 years, being ideal to use it up to 30 months Maturity of the bird: It enters the period of maturity at 7 months, reaching fullness at 20 months, an age considered ideal for exhibitions.
2 year old rooster (above)
7 month old stag (above)
5 month old stag (above)
12 month old hen (above)
Have any questions or more info to add? Let's talk!
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