I usually find my internal pips on day 22/23... usually when I'm getting ready to do eggtopsies. I'll listen for life first... If I hear cheaping or movement, I pip the top of the fat end (giving needed oxygen) and put back in the bator for at least 6 hours. If nothing happens, I help more... sometimes they are alive, sometimes they are dead. a good percentage of those I help like this don't make it, but some do.
