International Black Copper Marans Thread - Breeding to the SOP

kcrandall

Crowing
5 Years
Nov 16, 2015
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Last year I hatched out some marans April 29-30 and they are now in the breeding pens with their rooster. They started laying in October (I was surprised) . Their eggs are averaging 65-75 g.
I have two unrelated roosters and 3 unrelated hens.

I realize it is strongly recommended to wait til after 1 year and even 2, but when you are starting out and they are so hard to find here, its impossible to wait so long.

Should I breed all 3 hens to rooster 1, then all 3 hens to rooster 2?
Their eggs are all acceptable colour. They all have issues but I need to start somewhere. Ideally I would only have 1 rooster and 4 or 5 hens. (I have other varieties of chickens and would like to keep my "winter flock" to around 30-35. I am just breeding for myself, not to show or do anything fabulous. ;) I just want to try and have the best looking and producing flock I can, working towards SOP.

Do I always need to have two roosters? I'm a bit confused how to start. And if I replace my rooster (s) every year, or only if I hatch out one who is a better specimen. Do always breed line 1 to line 2? and then what does that become line 3? :confused:



Also- as a side question- out of the 5 marans I own, one is blue. I am not especially a fan of blue. I wouldn't consider keeping any blue roosters. Will crossing a blue and a black produce 50% of each, and will I be able to tell at hatch which are blue? If I only keep black ones, will those black one be able to produce blue if theiy are only bred to a black? Do you think I should remove that hen from my breeding pen ?

You should keep at least two (2) Cocks, at a minimum, in case of death or injury and to also give your line some genetic diversity. Even though the Cock Birds maybe related their genetic make up is slightly different. I have a small flock but I prefer to keep at least four Cocks because you never know what may happen. In 2018, I only kept 2 Cocks and both died over the winter so I had no way of continuing that line of BCMs when the hens came back into lay. As for a Black x Blue pairing you will get 50% each black and blue and the color difference between the two varieties should be noticeable at hatch.
 

Tom Bright

Chirping
Jul 19, 2020
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Monse, Washington
Last year I hatched out some marans April 29-30 and they are now in the breeding pens with their rooster. They started laying in October (I was surprised) . Their eggs are averaging 65-75 g.
I have two unrelated roosters and 3 unrelated hens.

I realize it is strongly recommended to wait til after 1 year and even 2, but when you are starting out and they are so hard to find here, its impossible to wait so long.

Should I breed all 3 hens to rooster 1, then all 3 hens to rooster 2?
Their eggs are all acceptable colour. They all have issues but I need to start somewhere. Ideally I would only have 1 rooster and 4 or 5 hens. (I have other varieties of chickens and would like to keep my "winter flock" to around 30-35. I am just breeding for myself, not to show or do anything fabulous. ;) I just want to try and have the best looking and producing flock I can, working towards SOP.

Do I always need to have two roosters? I'm a bit confused how to start. And if I replace my rooster (s) every year, or only if I hatch out one who is a better specimen. Do always breed line 1 to line 2? and then what does that become line 3? :confused:



Also- as a side question- out of the 5 marans I own, one is blue. I am not especially a fan of blue. I wouldn't consider keeping any blue roosters. Will crossing a blue and a black produce 50% of each, and will I be able to tell at hatch which are blue? If I only keep black ones, will those black one be able to produce blue if theiy are only bred to a black? Do you think I should remove that hen from my breeding pen ?
You can breed any rooster to any hen that is laying. The quality of the offspring is where selection of good traits or genes are important. I have hens that lay a # 4 egg in color. I have never had a hen that lays a # 4 egg star laying a #7 egg. I have hens that lay a #7 egg and they lay a #7 egg all the time. Most of their off spring lay a #7 egg. I paid for good genes and breed them the way the breeder I bought them from taught me.
This thread is the best one on the internet. If you follow Chooks man and bred according to his plan it will work. It is all in the gene pool and if you do not start with "Good" genes it will take alot longer or not at all. Just my 2cents TOM View attachment 2500002 View attachment 2500002
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Punkybrewster

Crowing
Feb 23, 2018
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3,479
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Upstate sc
You can breed any rooster to any hen that is laying. The quality of the offspring is where selection of good traits or genes are important. I have hens that lay a # 4 egg in color. I have never had a hen that lays a # 4 egg star laying a #7 egg. I have hens that lay a #7 egg and they lay a #7 egg all the time. Most of their off spring lay a #7 egg. I paid for good genes and breed them the way the breeder I bought them from taught me.
This thread is the best one on the internet. If you follow Chooks man and bred according to his plan it will work. It is all in the gene pool and if you do not start with "Good" genes it will take alot longer or not at all. Just my 2cents TOM View attachment 2500002 View attachment 2500002 View attachment 2500010


Well said Tom🙂
 

Punkybrewster

Crowing
Feb 23, 2018
1,571
3,479
346
Upstate sc
You should keep at least two (2) Cocks, at a minimum, in case of death or injury and to also give your line some genetic diversity. Even though the Cock Birds maybe related their genetic make up is slightly different. I have a small flock but I prefer to keep at least four Cocks because you never know what may happen. In 2018, I only kept 2 Cocks and both died over the winter so I had no way of continuing that line of BCMs when the hens came back into lay. As for a Black x Blue pairing you will get 50% each black and blue and the color difference between the two varieties should be noticeable at hatch.


I only have 2 cockerels. Wish i had a couple more for these reasons.

One has turned into a real jerk. He is my back up but i do not want to use him for breeding because of his temperment.

My other one is calm and cooperative.
Im hoping he gives me some nice prodigy to hold on to.
 

Minky

Crowing
Nov 4, 2017
1,367
2,107
286
Ontario
Those are amazing eggs. these are the colour of egg I'm getting. I think its ok, but I don't have a colour chart. its definitely a few shades darker than my welsummer eggs that are deep terracotta.

ok, I will breed them to the better of the two roosters....and hope my lead on marans eggs from a local breeder comes through in spring.
 

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You can breed any rooster to any hen that is laying. The quality of the offspring is where selection of good traits or genes are important. I have hens that lay a # 4 egg in color. I have never had a hen that lays a # 4 egg star laying a #7 egg. I have hens that lay a #7 egg and they lay a #7 egg all the time. Most of their off spring lay a #7 egg. I paid for good genes and breed them the way the breeder I bought them from taught me.
This thread is the best one on the internet. If you follow Chooks man and bred according to his plan it will work. It is all in the gene pool and if you do not start with "Good" genes it will take alot longer or not at all. Just my 2cents TOM View attachment 2500002 View attachment 2500002 View attachment 2500010
I am new to this group. What is his plan if I may ask. 😊 I am always trying to learn as much as I can about this breed.
 

kcrandall

Crowing
5 Years
Nov 16, 2015
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North Central Texas
I am new to this group. What is his plan if I may ask. 😊 I am always trying to learn as much as I can about this breed.

Welcome to the group! I know it’s a lot of reading but start from the beggining of this thread. There is a lot of great information that will help you. The “Plan” is different for each of us and is largely dependent on the quality of our Marans with which we have to work. Some members Marans flocks are more advanced than others so our respective breeding practices will be different. The basic overall plan is to breed for type, dark eggs, body pattern and plumage color.

There is a lot more that goes into than that but that’s the basics. I suggest you obtain a copy of the Standard of Perfection (SOP) so you know what a Marans is supposed to look like. I’m in the US but I breed to the French SOP (breed origin). There are a couple of slight variations between the US and French standards.

Chooks Man, because of his passion for and knowledge of Marans, helps us to evaluate our birds and choose breeders so we can move our reapective flocks forward and thus the breed. He is a wealth of information and we’re fortunate to have him as a mentor.
 

chickengr

Free Ranging
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Last year I hatched out some marans April 29-30 and they are now in the breeding pens with their rooster. They started laying in October (I was surprised) . Their eggs are averaging 65-75 g.
I have two unrelated roosters and 3 unrelated hens.

I realize it is strongly recommended to wait til after 1 year and even 2, but when you are starting out and they are so hard to find here, its impossible to wait so long.

Should I breed all 3 hens to rooster 1, then all 3 hens to rooster 2?
Their eggs are all acceptable colour. They all have issues but I need to start somewhere. Ideally I would only have 1 rooster and 4 or 5 hens. (I have other varieties of chickens and would like to keep my "winter flock" to around 30-35. I am just breeding for myself, not to show or do anything fabulous. ;) I just want to try and have the best looking and producing flock I can, working towards SOP.

Do I always need to have two roosters? I'm a bit confused how to start. And if I replace my rooster (s) every year, or only if I hatch out one who is a better specimen. Do always breed line 1 to line 2? and then what does that become line 3? :confused:



Also- as a side question- out of the 5 marans I own, one is blue. I am not especially a fan of blue. I wouldn't consider keeping any blue roosters. Will crossing a blue and a black produce 50% of each, and will I be able to tell at hatch which are blue? If I only keep black ones, will those black one be able to produce blue if theiy are only bred to a black? Do you think I should remove that hen from my breeding pen ?



keep 2 roos. you say marans are hard to find there. if god forbid anything happen to one roo you will have a back up.
 

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