International Black Copper Marans Thread - Breeding to the SOP

[BlueTheBrahma]

Yes they look like the 4A feather. Here is one hen, mind you she has been laying since January and has been with a male the entire time so she is looking a little worn.

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Thank you for everything! I may circle back sometime and ask some more questions. I always loved this group and our good buddy Chooks man. It is nice to see the group is alive and well. I think of our old friend Red Banks who started this thread and miss our Marans chats. I appreciate you for helping with my questions.

It’s funny because it looks like good plumage to my Welly breeder eyes (my only other duckwing hens are cream legbars, which are only for egg colour, not show), so your issue doesn’t scream out fault to me.

Obviously I understand that this is bad for leghorns, it’s just funny how my eyes are trained.

I could suggest breeding blacks into them, hopefully melanisers will darken the shafts. This would then require a second cross back to duckwings to get this variety back out again, hopefully improved.

I have no knowledge if that has ever been done, I’m simply guessing here, so take it or leave it.

The safest way is just breeding in good blood without the fault.

 

[KF0002]

It’s funny because it looks like good plumage to my Welly breeder eyes (my only other duckwing hens are cream legbars, which are only for egg colour, not show), so your issue doesn’t scream out fault to me.

Obviously I understand that this is bad for leghorns, it’s just funny how my eyes are trained.

I could suggest breeding blacks into them, hopefully melanisers will darken the shafts. This would then require a second cross back to duckwings to get this variety back out again, hopefully improved.

I have no knowledge if that has ever been done, I’m simply guessing here, so take it or leave it.

The safest way is just breeding in good blood without the fault.

You are the second person who mentioned breeding in blacks, so that seems like a valid solution. I think the shaftiness is pretty so it was to my dismay that it was not a desirable trait in the Brown Leghorns. Mahogany has some melanizing affects does it not? Would crossing to a bird with Mh be a possible solution?

 

[chix mama]

This is the second cockerel and comments from Chooks Man.












Cock 2 : too many fault
bad body type triangle rather than rectangle
Too tall .
Tail too high and open structure .
Comb has a sprig on the front
shanks too dark

he will make good coq au vin .

That's good. I like Coq au Vin.

Gorgeous!

 

[KF0002]

Gorgeous!

Yes he was from the Little Peddler bloodline. He had a squirrel tail, but all lines must start somewhere and his color was amazing.

 

[BlueTheBrahma]

You are the second person who mentioned breeding in blacks, so that seems like a valid solution. I think the shaftiness is pretty so it was to my dismay that it was not a desirable trait in the Brown Leghorns. Mahogany has some melanizing affects does it not? Would crossing to a bird with Mh be a possible solution?

Yes it does, but are they not golden duckwings (sorry if they were brown and I forgot which one you said)? The autosomal red will make goldens browns, maybe fixing the issue but they will be a different variety. Ideally you want melanisers for pattern colour, not ground colour, which is why I suggested blacks. However, you could always try both and see which has the best result.

Or just see if black or red/brown leghorns or more available. I suggest keeping options within the leghorn breed rather than outcrossing to other breeds.

 

[wrathsfarm]

Yes he was from the Little Peddler bloodline. He had a squirrel tail, but all lines must start somewhere and his color was amazing.

Color me confused, but are them not Red Banks birds?

 

[KF0002]

Yes it does, but are they not golden duckwings (sorry if they were brown and I forgot which one you said)? The autosomal red will make goldens browns, maybe fixing the issue but they will be a different variety. Ideally you want melanisers for pattern colour, not ground colour, which is why I suggested blacks. However, you could always try both and see which has the best result.

Or just see if black or red/brown leghorns or more available. I suggest keeping options within the leghorn breed rather than outcrossing to other breeds.

Ok thank you for all your help! I have some whites with a black and silver base if I can’t find any blacks.

 

[KF0002]

Color me confused, but are them not Red Banks birds?

Red Banks obtained her birds from the Little Peddler bloodline.

 

[KF0002]

The Little Peddler Bloodline were direct imports from France.

 

[BlueTheBrahma]

Color me confused, but are them not Red Banks birds?

Yes they’re from the first page of the thread. I’m confused also but maybe we were just appreciating them?