International Black Copper Marans Thread - Breeding to the SOP

[Red Banks]

here a quotation from the French standard about the Flames on the hackle and lancet.
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"some feathers especially in the lower part of the hackle and the lancets CAN BE more or less flambe ( flamed ) ."

it s well precise they CAN BE Flamed NOT HAVE TO BE .

if we want to achieve the proper red coppery hackle we must minimize the flame. Because the red copper promote the Melanin (excess Black ) so we can permit too much flames( like the salmon or the columbian roosters )

if we chose to have Flame than they have to be minimum and thin . only a thin black strip in the middle of the coppery feather without reaching the end of the feather and not wide ( THIN BLACK STRIP ) .


The end of each flamed feathers should coppery not black.

chooks man

I found a great picture of hackle color accepted by French. Now I am having trouble finding it. I did read about the flame.

 

[Red Banks]

here a quotation from the French standard about the Flames on the hackle and lancet.
"
"some feathers especially in the lower part of the hackle and the lancets CAN BE more or less flambe ( flamed ) ."

it s well precise they CAN BE Flamed NOT HAVE TO BE .

if we want to achieve the proper red coppery hackle we must minimize the flame. Because the red copper promote the Melanin (excess Black ) so we can permit too much flames( like the salmon or the columbian roosters )

if we chose to have Flame than they have to be minimum and thin . only a thin black strip in the middle of the coppery feather without reaching the end of the feather and not wide ( THIN BLACK STRIP ) .


The end of each flamed feathers should coppery not black.

chooks man

Picture from Marans of America Club.

 

[Chooks man]

thank s RedBank that what I was trying to explain .

here the a close shot of Wallace Hackle .nice red copper with a minimum flame. nice and thin.

notice his back nicely wide and flat

 

[Chooks man]

Now I m going to talk about the color of the leg color of the BCM;

here what the French standard has to say; "

Average size, with some feathers . White or Lightly pink coloured for all the varieties Except the Black, Brown Red and Bid Birchen Marans, were grey or dark grey is PERMITTED although NOT PREFERRED for both sexes .
Four long and well separated toes with the outer one SPARSELY feathered .
The claws are white or horn colored .

Nothing in the standard telling us to breed and favorite the dark legs .is permitted but NOT preferred .

we have to breed for the lighter legs color.

chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

I have a great expectation from Darwin 2 and Wolf ..


this year I m going to cross the 2 line Darwin line and Walker line.

I ll keep the original one s pure as long as I have them ,So I can always cross back to them to restore any thing need to be.

plus I getting the 3 trios from the import stock ( 3 different line) that will make t 5 pure line. ( 5 x 5 = 25 different combination possible ).

looking forward to work with all this beauty .

I have a big breeders from New Caledonia ho want to by fertile eggs from my flock .I m going through the paper work - should be ready for the next year to be able to export eggs . Because there is not enough eggs coming out of France.

I l try to find some photos of hen s with a good comb.

let see what i can do.

chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

here few marans hen s with a nice comb.

the cuckoo hen and the black one s are mine.

the BCM from the Easter Sydney Show.





all this type of comb on the hen s are good to great

I breed for a medium size strait comb better for all type of weather .

chooks man

 

[chickengr]

my hen had floppy comb. the hens at the breeder I got my pair of marans have floppy combs too. my pullet (hatched on april 2nd) still has a straight comb but not sure if it will remain like that. any opinions?

 

[Red Banks]

my hen had floppy comb. the hens at the breeder I got my pair of marans have floppy combs too. my pullet (hatched on april 2nd) still has a straight comb but not sure if it will remain like that. any opinions?

My girls have all kinds of combs. I have to start paying better attention to what is good and not so good. I don't have any floppy combs..... I was going to go to the standard today and read about combs. I will see what I can find.

 

[Chooks man]

I also have all sort of combs too .take years of selective breeding to get correct comb.

Look Chickengr as long as one of the breeder has a nice comb ,you will get certain percentage with a nice comb. So if the rooster have a good one has a good comb you are more likely to get some pullets with nice comb.

the comb is mostly inherited through the hen s.

Like I said before it is not just the way they look from the outside . is what genes they carry under they skin .What they genetic make up.

So for now we work with what we ve got ,and slowly we select for specific trait and we fix them ,them we move on to other trait. they is always some thing to adjust . like a sport car .tuning and tuning .

There is a difference between a show bird and the breeder bird.
Show bird has to be close to perfection from the outside ,doesn t matter the gene s they carry.

the breeder doesn t matter if he/she have a fault .what matter is they genes . we look for birds that they are compatible .they give a good result in the breeding pen.

breeder bird will give rise to a show bird BUT the show bird does not necessary yield a breeder.

the standard call for a medium size .nicely formed ,rough texture ,strait, well serrated and does not touch the back of the head . NO bent .NOT S shape .

chooks man

 

[CricketFarm]

Hi all
Thanks for the reply regarding the blues
I have been following but not posting much. I wouldlike to post a picture to see what are her good poonts and not good as well. She lays a nice dark egg and I want to see if she is even close to sop or a good starting point at least