International Black Copper Marans Thread - Breeding to the SOP

[Chooks man]

hi RedBank can you receive fertile eggs from France. what the procedure ?

I m in the process of applying for the export license .how long is going to take I have no idea .hopefully before the end of this year breeding season .

fingers X.

chooks man

 

[Red Banks]

hi RedBank can you receive fertile eggs from France. what the procedure ?

I m in the process of applying for the export license .how long is going to take I have no idea .hopefully before the end of this year breeding season .

fingers X.

chooks man

I will find out. I have fingers, toes..... everything crossed.

 

[Chooks man]

Hi RedBank ;

your silver cuckoo are a pure English type nothing has been added to them . I can tell . what the color of they eggs?

solid thick head and Solid with a pretty orange eyes.

large and tall on they feet ,no feathers

uniform dark cuckoo pattern NO light hackle .

All this trait are from the English stock NOT the French stock.

they have a great mass like my Silver cuckoo (mine they come from a English type Rooster X French type )

saying all this I like them a lot .you have a good base to start your GCM line. don t worry too much about any fault ,you are going to be using them only one s to get a single bared Silver/Gold dark cuckoo cockerels the pullet are going to be a layer except if they have a nice dark eggs.

Choooks man

 

[Chooks man]

Chickengr I just received and email from Laurent from France .his breeding flock has been separated for a couples of weeks now.

He book you for January 2017 ,the start of the next season .. for 2 dozen Black copper and 2 dozen Silver cuckoo marans.

that one order has been placed in your behalf .you have 5 month to prepare your coops and incubator or broody hens.

still waiting to hear from Monique.

chooks man

 

[Red Banks]

Hi RedBank ;

your silver cuckoo are a pure English type nothing has been added to them . I can tell . what the color of they eggs?

solid thick head and Solid with a pretty orange eyes.

large and tall on they feet ,no feathers

uniform dark cuckoo pattern NO light hackle .

All this trait are from the English stock NOT the French stock.

they have a great mass like my Silver cuckoo (mine they come from a English type Rooster X French type )

saying all this I like them a lot .you have a good base to start your GCM line. don t worry too much about any fault ,you are going to be using them only one s to get a single bared Silver/Gold dark cuckoo cockerels the pullet are going to be a layer except if they have a nice dark eggs.

Choooks man

They are pretty pullets. No eggs..... still too young but getting close.

 

[Red Banks]

USDA

The U.S. Department of Agriculture defines poultry as chickens, doves, ducks, geese, grouse, guinea fowl, partridges, pea fowl, pheasants, pigeons, quail, swans, and turkeys (including hatching eggs of these species).

General Requirements

• All hatching eggs of poultry imported into the United States must be accompanied by a USDA import permitVS Form 17-129 (except through a land border port from Canada).
• Current veterinary health certificate issued by a full-time salaried veterinarian of the agency responsible for animal health of the national government in the exporting country of origin.
• Importers should submit the application and the processing fee for a permit by check, money order, charge card or by providing a USDA user fee account. If changes need to be made for a permit after it has been issued, there is an additional fee. Current fees can be found here.
• Fees apply if arrival is during regular working hours (approximately 8:00 AM - 4:00 PM, Monday through Friday), and prior notification has been given. Overtime charges apply if the bird arrives before or after these hours. In addition, USDA port veterinarians are not stationed full-time at each port of entry, prior notification is critical to the import process.

The import permit application (VS Form 17-129) can be downloaded from the internet or obtained by contacting us at:
USDA, APHIS, VS
National Center for Import and Export
4700 River Road, Unit 39
Riverdale, MD 20737
(301) 851-3300 telephone
(301) 734-4704 fax
[email protected] email

Flock of origin veterinary health certification statements
The original veterinary health certificate must be in English or have the English translation, and must accompany the hatching eggs while in transit. It must state that:

• The flock(s) of origin were found upon inspection to be free from evidence of communicable diseases of poultry;
• No exotic Newcastle disease has occurred on the premises of origin or on adjoining premises during the 90 days immediately preceding the date of movement of the eggs from such region; and
• As far as it has been possible to determine, such flock(s) were not exposed to such disease during the preceding 90 days.
• At least 5 percent (%) or a minimum of 150 birds from the flock of origin were negative for egg drop syndrome (EDS 76). This statement does not apply to hatching eggs or poults of turkeys.
• The flock of origin was tested negative for Salmonella enteritidis (SE) within 30 days by environmental culture, and there is no evidence or knowledge of SE present in the flock
• The flock(s) of origin for the hatching eggs were not vaccinated against any H5 or H7 subtype of avian influenza. The shipment will not transit through any regions where APHIS considers highly pathogenic avian influenza to exist, as listed here.
• The flocks of origin have been vaccinated against Newcastle disease (avian paramyxovirus) at least 21 days prior to export, using vaccines that do not contain any velogenic strains of Newcastle disease virus.

Note: If the flock(s) of origin have not been vaccinated against Newcastle disease, the health certificate should indicate this status.

• The hatching eggs were cleaned and sanitized as soon as possible after collection using an approved-for use-sanitizing agent, in accordance with the manufacturer's instructions. Hatching eggs were placed into new or appropriately sanitized packaging materials at the premises from which the hatching eggs were to be exported.
• The flock or the flock(s) of origin is negative within the previous 90 days for Avian Metapneumovirus (also known as Turkey Rhinotracheitis, (TRT), or Swollen Head Syndrome). At least 30 poultry per house were tested using any of the following methods: rRT-PCR, ELISA, or serology. The health certificate must state if poultry have or have not been vaccinated against this disease. Note: Testing for Avian Metapneumovirus does not apply to waterfowl species.
• Flock(s) of origin for the hatching eggs were not vaccinated against any H5 or H7 subtype of avian influenza.
• The shipment will not transit through any regions where APHIS considers highly pathogenic avian influenza to exist, as listed here on this web page.
• The flock(s) of origin have been vaccinated against Newcastle disease (avian paramyxovirus) at least 21 days prior to export, using vaccines that do not contain any velogenic strains of Newcastle disease virus. OR:
• The flock(s) of origin have not been vaccinated against Newcastle disease.

Requirements for importing poultry hatching eggs differ for eggs being imported from countries designated and free of exotic Newcastle disease (END) than those not designated as free of END.

Poultry hatching eggs imported from countries designated as free of END
Hatching eggs imported from these countries are not required to be quarantined. However, the hatching eggs must be accompanied by a veterinary health certificate issued by a national government veterinarian of the exporting country as well as by a USDA import permit.
Hatching eggs originating in the EU-25 Poultry Trade Region (PTR) must have either of the following bulleted statements on all hatching eggs health certificate:

• The consignment did not originate from or travel through, any zone within the EU-25 PTR that were restricted for outbreaks of Newcastle disease or HPAI in commercial poultry for the following period of time, whichever is later: 1). Until the restrictions were lifted by the national competent authority; or 2). 90 days after depopulation of all affected premises, followed by cleaning and disinfection of the last affected premises, in that zone. [note: only 1) applies if the restrictions had been placed for Newcastle disease or HPAI in racing pigeons, backyard flocks or wild birds.]
• The consignment did not originate from, but did travel under official seal through, zones that were restricted for outbreaks of Newcastle disease or HPAI in commercial poultry for the following period of time, whichever is later: 1). until the restrictions were lifted by the national competent authority; or 2). 90 days after depopulation of all affected premises, followed by cleaning and disinfection of the last affected premises, in that zone. [Note: only 1) applies if the restrictions had been placed for Newcastle disease or HPAI in racing pigeons, backyard flocks or wild birds.][Note: under this option, the seal numbers must be noted in the health certificate signed by the certifying veterinarian, with an official veterinarian verifying the seals for such shipments were intact at the time of embarkation.]
  
  Countries comprising the EU 25-PTR can be found here

Poultry hatching eggs imported from countries not designated as free of END
In addition to the required veterinary health certificate and USDA import permit, importation of hatching eggs from countries not designated by the USDA to be free of END are restricted as follows:

• Eggs must be transported from the port of entry to the hatchery in a vehicle sealed by the USDA.
• Eggs must be hatched and brooded under the supervision of the Area Veterinarian in Charge (AVIC) in the State of destination. The hatchery must meet certain biosecurity standards and be inspected and approved by the AVIC prior to issuance of the import permit.
• The poultry from such eggs must remain in quarantine for not less than 30 days following hatch.
• During quarantine, the hatching eggs and poultry from such eggs are subject to any inspections, disinfections, and diagnostic testing as may be required by the USDA to determine their freedom from communicable diseases of poultry.

Poultry hatching eggs imported from Canada:

• No quarantine is required.
• No import permit via land border port
• A health certificate is required.
• Import via sea or air ports are required to have an import permit and a health certificate.

The health certificate must contain the following language:

• There is a Canadian HC for hatching eggs that is approved for this use by the US and Canada.
• A new restriction ( September 2015) should be placed on health certificates for hatching eggs: The hatching eggs were placed into new or appropriately sanitized packaging materials at the premises from which the eggs were to be exported.

The import permit application (VS Form 17-129) can be downloaded from the internet or obtained by contacting us at:
USDA, APHIS, VS
National Center for Import and Export
4700 River Road, Unit 39
Riverdale, MD 20737
(301) 851-3300 telephone
(301) 734-4704 fax
[email protected] email

Fish and Wildlife Service Permit Information
In the United States, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service regulates the importation of avian species (including their hatching eggs) protected by various national and international acts and treaties such as the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES), the Wild Bird Conservation Act of 1992, the Migratory Bird Act, and the Endangered Species Act. To determine if the hatching eggs you wish to import are regulated by the USFWS, you can visit their web site at: http://permits.fws.gov/ or contact them at USFWS, Office of Management Authority, 4401 North Fairfax Drive, Room 420, Arlington, VA 22203, (800) 358-2104 (within the United States), or (703) 358-2104.
Please visit the FWS web site at: http://permits.fws.gov/ to obtain more information and the permit application. If you have questions you can contact the FWS at (800) 358-2104. Overseas calls should be placed to (703) 358-2104.

How to Contact Us
If you need additional materials about importing hatching eggs of poultry or other birds into the United States, please contact us at:
USDA, APHIS, VS
National Import and Export Services
4700 River Road, Unit 39
Riverdale, MD 20737
(301) 851-3300 Telephone
(301) 734-4704 Fax

 

[FeelsRightFarm]

Well we finally got everyone separated! Our roos are in their own bachelor coop, our LP hens are in a coop of their own, and our Greenfire hens are out in the big coop with our one wheaten ameraucana hen, Princess. They are spread out! Hopefully this will allow the girls time to relax and grow their feathers back. We will put the roos in every so often once they are all used to their new homes.

I am glad we have our roos and LP girls safe because we had another incident last night with a raccoon. He has gotten two of our Swedish black hens on separate nights. Last night he didn't get any. Somehow we were lucky enough to walk out right as he was walking up to them. We scared him off but he doesn't seem to want to stay away. He is too smart to eat from the trap too, he just grabs it through the side. Big pain in the butt!

 

[chickengr]

Chickengr I just received and email from Laurent from France .his breeding flock has been separated for a couples of weeks now.

He book you for January 2017 ,the start of the next season .. for 2 dozen Black copper and 2 dozen Silver cuckoo marans.

that one order has been placed in your behalf .you have 5 month to prepare your coops and incubator or broody hens.

still waiting to hear from Monique.

chooks man

THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

I will check if we can get eggs from australia, but I doubt. I know that big quantity for professionals would be possible (probably with a lot of paperwork) but I am not sure for the individuals. from the EE should be no problem.

my far favourite are BCM. when I saw your post where you asked me what varieties I wanted silver cuckoo crossed my mind!

I can borrow some broodies and from august 15th I can borrow an incubator as well.

GOD BLESS YOU!

 

[Red Banks]

Well we finally got everyone separated! Our roos are in their own bachelor coop, our LP hens are in a coop of their own, and our Greenfire hens are out in the big coop with our one wheaten ameraucana hen, Princess. They are spread out! Hopefully this will allow the girls time to relax and grow their feathers back. We will put the roos in every so often once they are all used to their new homes.

I am glad we have our roos and LP girls safe because we had another incident last night with a raccoon. He has gotten two of our Swedish black hens on separate nights. Last night he didn't get any. Somehow we were lucky enough to walk out right as he was walking up to them. We scared him off but he doesn't seem to want to stay away. He is too smart to eat from the trap too, he just grabs it through the side. Big pain in the butt!

It has made things easier here to have the boys separate. I am rotating the cockerels, one out at a time. Whichever cockerel is out is moved to the rooster pen when he goes to roost. Then in the morning I put a different cockerel out. The hens aren't being pressured, everything is calmer. I am handling the cockerels more this way too. Maybe an added benefit will be a more respectful boy.

I am still worrying with whatever is after my chickens. I am fairly certain it is small, preying on only Ameraucanas and Cream Legbars. The one big hen it tried was my Splash Marans and she got away. She was ripped up pretty bad but has recovered.

So sorry about your SB hens. We both need a good dog!

 

[FeelsRightFarm]

It has made things easier here to have the boys separate.  I am rotating the cockerels, one out at a time.  Whichever cockerel is out is moved to the rooster pen when he goes to roost.  Then in the morning I put a different cockerel out.  The hens are being pressured, everything is calmer.  I am handling the cockerels more this way too.  Maybe an added benefit will be a more respectful boy.

I am still worrying with whatever is after my chickens.  I am fairly certain it is small, preying on only Ameraucanas and Cream Legbars.  The one big hen it tried was my Splash Marans and she got away.  She was ripped up pretty bad but has recovered.

So sorry about your SB hens.  We both need a good dog!

I agree. Once the new place is built we are getting one. The thing that sucks about this being a raccoon is who knows how many there are! And he comes back every night. With our bobcat and our fox we had a shot in the air would spook them enough to stay away a few nights. This one keeps returning!

I don't understand our LP roo. We handled him a ton when he was small and Landon was always around him. It wasn't until the one time I was messing with one of his girls that he freaked out and now he is after me if I look away. I carry a big stick in there and shake it around lik a crazy person lol. Luckily he is separate now and maybe won't be aggressive when he isn't feeling the need to protect.