International Black Copper Marans Thread - Breeding to the SOP

[Red Banks]

@RedBanks

The name Red-Brown may seem strange for a bird that is a black breasted red in the cock, and a red birchen in the hen, one needs to look back to the beginning of the breed to find the reason. The first crossings were made using English fighting cocks, the “cockers” named the colour of the birds by what they could see when they were fighting in the pit, the breast and the back. So a bird with a broken breast (black with red/brown markings, and a red back was called a Brown Red. The Brown-Red, has been the main variety of the breed for numerous years. Indeed, more than 80% of the members of the Marans Club of France have selected the Brown-Red variety.

Straight from the French Marans Club website.

Thanks Braxton, it was the French Marans Club website that got me confused because of this paragraph.

When a cock has a triangle formed and ochre-brown or dark-fawn colored (it can also be defined by the term : brown-citinamon colored) wing miror, it isn't a Brown-red cock at all. It should never be used for Brown-red Marans selection because it is, in this case, a Marans cock of the Wheaten variety or even the Black-red variety.

It is probably just me interpreting this incorrectly.

 

[Chooks man]

my hen laid about 5 eggs per week and the eggs were 5-6. unfortunately she didn't have the best health and died. I have her daughter, 4 mo and she already looks better then her mother. her hackles are more copper although she should have a bit more. she seems a bit skinny but she might improve.

tell me about humidity issue with the marans hatches. I have 2 brahna broodies available but 18 eggs will go to the incubator.

The Humidity for the marans is 45% for the 18 days and 45/50% last 3 days.

Do not let the humidity goes higher than 50% other wise the chicks will grow bigger inside the eggs and they can t move around to break through .

winter I ll put a little water in the bator tray ( because is dry weather )
Spring and summer .I do not add any water to the bator neither the hatcher because is humid out side . subtopic .

BROODY HEN S ARE THE BEST

chooks man

 

[Braxton Brigade]

Thanks Braxton, it was the French Marans Club website that got me confused because of this paragraph.

When a cock has a triangle formed and ochre-brown or dark-fawn colored (it can also be defined by the term : brown-citinamon colored) wing miror, it isn't a Brown-red cock at all. It should never be used for Brown-red Marans selection because it is, in this case, a Marans cock of the Wheaten variety or even the Black-red variety.

It is probably just me interpreting this incorrectly.

The colour of the Brown-red cock can resemble, and can be mistaken for, the colour of other varieties such as the Black-Red (Golden-salmon) or the Wheaten. We can easily understand the disadvantages that such confusions might create for the serious breeder.
In order to recognize definitely the genetically correct Brown-Red, it is necessary to check that the cocks have a totally black wing triangle (a Crow wing). It is the only varieties of above the three that show this black pure wing triangle constituted by the visible fold back of the secondary feathers.
It should not be mistaken with the wingbow, which has nothing in common with the triangle. When a cock has a wing triangle of an ochre-brown, dark-fawn or brown-cinnamon colour, it isn't a Brown-Red cock. It should never be used in a Brown-Red Marans breeding pen, because it is a Marans cock of the Wheaten variety or Golden-Salmon variety.
If this Duckwing phenomenon occurs in a Brown-Red line it shows that the breeding stock used was genetically mixed. In such case, we can understand that it is a genetic variety that appeared as a recessive in the Brown-Red. This must be carefully detected, and selected against, in order to maintain the genetic purity of the Brown-Red breeding stock.
On the other hand, the pullets of these 3 varieties would be easily identifiable.
In order to avoid any mistakes, it must be kept in mind that, for the Brown-Red variety, ever area of the bird that is not a true coppery-red colour must necessarily be a true pure black colour including the "triangle".


I underline everything that might help you determine what they are explaining. I notice that mine didn't say "a Marans cock of the Wheaton variety or even of the Brown-Red variety. Instead mine came up as "a Marans cock of the Wheaton variety or the Golden-Salmon variety".
I believe they are interchanging the name "golden salmon" with "black red" but I could be wrong here.

 

[Chooks man]

You're right. I am setting up 2 or 3 more chicken yards tomorrow. Then I will have 4 coops specifically for my marans project, that should give me plenty of flexibility to start out. 2017 is not far, I have been doing tons of reading and note taking so I am prepared for it all.

Good on you .
the preparation is the key .

Chooks man

 

[Braxton Brigade]

Good on you .
the preparation is the key .

Chooks man

Thank you, I need to reread this whole thread and write down all the super helpful tips in the early pages. Not to get off of Black Coppers but, do you keep other varieties? I know you keep cuckoos of some sort, I just can't quite remember what you had said you kept.

 

[Chooks man]

Thank you, I need to reread this whole thread and write down all the super helpful tips in the early pages. Not to get off of Black Coppers but, do you keep other varieties? I know you keep cuckoos of some sort, I just can't quite remember what you had said you kept.

I have all the marans varieties ,some are pure ,other are working project to recreate new marans varieties.

check all the marans thread in BYC and you will see my work there too.

we are 2 big marans breeders from 2 different state joint forces in this big marans project .
my self - mistyrivermarans ( NSW )- and Marans Australia ( from Victoria ).
we are safer like this if some health problem .

chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

I followed the incubation protocol from the breeders whose eggs I purchased. He is located 3 hours from me so our climate is very similar. I set my Brinesea at 99.6 degrees fahrenheit with 40% humidity for the first 19 days. I did not candle or open the incubator during the first 19 days. During lockdown, the final 2 days, I increased the temp to 100 degrees fahrenheit and 60% humidity. I had a 60% hatch rate - was hoping for 80% but after inspecting the unhatched eggs I discovered that 8 eggs were infertile so not too bad I guess.

I like you method similar to mine just 10% different in the hatcher .guess Texas is dry climate .?

chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

I like him very much.
Nice Comb
Nice color on his legs - light grey with nice pink
Light Feathers
Solid good body
I like the color on the chest!
Good color on the ear tuft
Solid on his legs good width in his body
Nice copper hackles
Good eye color
Nice long back
Did I say I like him?

You are getting there RedBank time for me to take a holydaysbreak. ha ha haaaaaaaaaa.

It is nice to see peoples picking up the stuff very quick . Genetic and Breeding chooks is fun .

I ll add . Strong solid head .
nice wattles ,shape ,form and texture
great shoulder color Rich red .
Solid neck

chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

Type, Mass ,Back ,Deep Chest , Shanks great colors ; ARE his asset . other word they are his strangest points.
Colors ; coppery hackle, Red shoulders , colored chest, correct ears tufts , ( still young ) are his second strongest points .

chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

Body balance, Feet straitand parallel to each others , Chest width ,Head well position and pretty ; all this are his strangest points.
Chest colored ( could be too much or too little WE have too wait tell he molt for the second time at 18 month old- that is a true rooster coloration - the 2 years old rooster color are the true genetic colors will be pased down to his progeny )

chooks man