International Black Copper Marans Thread - Breeding to the SOP

[Chooks man]

Eyes color .wattles . eras tufts color, beak color and form . Comb shape and serration . all this point are great.

Ah there is problem I see . I will no comment on t tell you conform T.

there is a point look to me like a start of sprig or infection . on the top of his eyes strait . middle bottom part of the comb ( between the 2 and the 3 dent looking toward the eye )

Hope you see I m talking about.

chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

C1 = Head . 10/10 EX .Greatest asset
every thing is great about his head . best comb and wattles,Ears lobes . Eras tufts are coppery ( they can range from light copper to dark copper NOT BLACK )
Great eyes

chooks man

 

[kcrandall]

Type, Mass ,Back ,Deep Chest , Shanks great colors ; ARE his asset . other word they are his strangest points. Colors ; coppery hackle, Red shoulders , colored chest, correct ears tufts , ( still young ) are his second strongest points . chooks man

Thanks Chooks Man - I am still improving my knowledge and training my eye. I really like his overall type but was concerned he was over colored. I'll give him more time to mature then will post more pics. I'm learning their is a difference between breeder and show quality coqs - it's almost like we need two pairs of eyes to judge our birds. Assuming this Coq maintains his color, would you suggest breeding him to hens with very little to no copper hackles? Regards, Keith

 

[Chooks man]

Thanks Chooks Man - I am still improving my knowledge and training my eye. I really like his overall type but was concerned he was over colored. I'll give him more time to mature then will post more pics. I'm learning their is a difference between breeder and show quality coqs - it's almost like we need two pairs of eyes to judge our birds. Assuming this Coq maintains his color, would you suggest breeding him to hens with very little to no copper hackles?

Regards,
Keith

that correct. with a Black hen he s the best option . great result. HIM mated a Black hens with a good type = will give a SHOW bird 100%.

color we have to wait more.he could be well colored after the 2end molt

I ll work . with him better than a black breasted BCM rooster any time.

I like my hen s with a black chest NOT my roosters .

chooks man

 

[kcrandall]

that correct. with a Black hen he s the best option . great result. HIM mated a Black hens with a good type = will give a SHOW bird 100%.

color we have to wait more.he could be well colored after the 2end molt 

I ll work . with him better than a black breasted BCM rooster any time.

I like my hen s with a black chest NOT my roosters .

chooks man

Thanks for the confirmation. Then I would also assume he could be breed to a solid blue copper hen or splash hen to add color. I have a separate pen of BBS Copper Marans that could use a dash of color.

 

[Chooks man]

Thanks for the confirmation. Then I would also assume he could be breed to a solid blue copper hen or splash hen to add color. I have a separate pen of BBS Copper Marans that could use a dash of color.

Agree with you 100 %.

I run my black and Blue together .

chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

I have not named the three cockerels that I think are potential breeders so I'll refer to them as C1, C2 and C3 for reference purposes. All of my cockerels lost their tail feathers at about 8 weeks so they are just now growing back. This is C1 hatched on April 30th:









I look forward to your comments. Thanks all and more to follow later.

Sorry I did not see the second photo, his comb does not look good to me from the end part . NEED a good photos of just his comb.

body type good but need mass.
back long but need width
Color is stunning
Great shanks color
chest well marked no excess .of copper there .but need depth and width
nice tail Angle . ( most of my cockerel loose they tail in the summer ) we need to see from the rear .

he is a keeper for sure To be avoided on the Black hens .

chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

I like this one quite a bit.

Seems like just the right amount of color on his chest, good copper colors and nice leg colors.

I do think he looks like he has a bit higher, tighter set shoulder than most marans but I too am still a beginner and that might be a unimportant variation in body type.

you are correct .well spotted . good pair of eyes you have.

I see you are learning , great.

chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

Thanks RedBanks - C1 may be a shade darker than Otis but it's close. His ear tufts have some copper near the ear canal but gets darker on the edges (if that makes sense). I'm not sure if the ear tufts will get more copper as he matures. Too me his color looks better than the pictures show. His pics were taken in the morning.

A couple of years ago I had a BCM Coq that had very good type, comb and balanced color at 6 months (He is my avatar). By the time he was 18 months old he developed white tail fluff, halo on hackles, and white ear lobes (which I'm pretty sure is a DQ). After that experience, I tend to keep my prospect Roos a little longer to see how they change for good or bad.

Have a good day,
Keith

True genetic color of the rooster is after the second molt . after 18 month you mentioned

A Great chooks breeders do no breed back to the sire .but they breed back to the grand sire ,BECAUSE they know that.

So they breed the cockerel by test matting him first ,
when they find a good combination they breed them and rise they F1 progeny

they will not breed this cockerel ( young rooster ) any more .they put him a side to mature and molt plenty of time to watch him and taking note .
Health.
weight . color changes
disease resistance,
type of his progeny and they production he s throwing..

they breed the progeny together as F1 X F1 to get the true F2 ( just one time to allow the Atavistic return and recombination - pairing - of the genes )
Next breeding season they will have all the data they need and the exact color pattern of the sire.

if they are happy THAN they will breed the F2 selected pullets to him ( grand sire ) to reinforce the traits they are working on and produce F3 progeny .

Great practice ,they give them selves plenty time to see all the result before they breed forward .

chooks man

 

[Braxton Brigade]

True genetic color of the rooster is after the second molt . after 18 month you mentioned

A Great chooks breeders do no breed back to the sire .but they breed back to the grand sire ,BECAUSE they know that.

So they breed the cockerel by test matting him first ,
when they find a good combination they breed them and rise they F1 progeny

they will not breed this cockerel ( young rooster ) any more .they put him a side to mature and molt plenty of time to watch him and taking note .
Health.
weight . color changes
disease resistance,
type of his progeny and they production he s throwing..

they breed the progeny together as F1 X F1 to get the true F2 ( just one time to allow the Atavistic return and recombination - pairing - of the genes )
Next breeding season they will have all the data they need and the exact color pattern of the sire.

if they are happy THAN they will breed the F2 selected pullets to him ( grand sire ) to reinforce the traits they are working on and produce F3 progeny .

Great practice ,they give them selves plenty time to see all the result before they breed forward .

chooks man

Glad you mentioned that it is not a great idea to breed to the sire but rather the grand sire.

I agree that we must be methodical when we start constricting the gene pool in the F2 and F3 progeny.