International Black Copper Marans Thread - Breeding to the SOP

[Red Banks]

Quote: It is funny that you mention this. I was thinking it would be a good thing if we took the SOP one piece at a time and talked about it. Chooks Man suggested he could tell us how to breed using our birds with their attributes and opportunites to achieve that particular part of the SOP. Am I making sense it is late? We could all send in pictures of our birds. For instance if we were talking about eye color. We could just send eye pictures and talk about how/if we could fix it or get some visuals of good eyes. I thought if we really got good at all the parts, one at a time, the whole bird would come together for us.

 

[chickengr]

It is funny that you mention this. I was thinking it would be a good thing if we took the SOP one piece at a time and talked about it. Chooks Man suggested he could tell us how to breed using our birds with their attributes and opportunites to achieve that particular part of the SOP. Am I making sense it is late? We could all send in pictures of our birds. For instance if we were talking about eye color. We could just send eye pictures and talk about how/if we could fix it or get some visuals of good eyes. I thought if we really got good at all the parts, one at a time, the whole bird would come together for us.

sounds good to me. I have plenty of time to learn before I get decent birds for breeding. and decent number of birds as well.

 

[Red Banks]

Quote: I can't imagine seeing those beautiful birds in the wild.

 

[Chooks man]

10% I think I read somewhere. our teacher @Chooks man will correct me if I am wrong.

some body made this 10% .never heard about it.

Spotted coppery chest is what we need .
if we are talking about the bird than we only need few spots - less is better-

but if we are talking about the breeding pens than is different story . all depend on the hen s.color.

chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

if we are talking about a show bird than less is better .few spots less is better

chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

australia has plenty of wild parrots.I love parrots but some of my friends from australia say that parrots are pests.

yeah it is a shame a lot farmer do shoot this pretty native birds ,they think they are pest.

this sort of people they forgot they cars and concrete road and noisy life wasn t here before this pretty bird.

I m lucky enough to live in the bush ( 50 acres of native forest in the propriety ) and I see all sort of parrots every days.

they like my chooks .and the chooks like them too . it is funny to see a young cockerels trying to have a go at them when they come closer .

I can no see this country without them .

there is a lot people who love them too and they are doing they best to protect them .

chooks man

 

[chickengr]

yeah it is a shame a lot farmer do shoot this pretty native birds ,they think they are pest.

this sort of people they forgot they cars and concrete road and noisy life wasn t here before this pretty bird.

I m lucky enough to live in the bush ( 50 acres of native forest in the propriety ) and I see all sort of parrots every days.

they like my chooks .and the chooks like them too . it is funny to see a young cockerels trying to have a go at them when they come closer .

I can no see this country without them .

there is a lot people who love them too and they are doing they best to protect them .

chooks man

my friends are animal lovers too and they are angry with the farmers who shoot parrots. I just didn't feel like writing the full story.

lucky you for living in so much space. I must raise the pen (the sleeping part) so that my chickens can use space underneath. bedrooms are on the first floor, lol.

 

[Red Banks]

if we are talking about a show bird than less is better .few spots less is better

chooks man

There are some points that are constant in this thread and make sense to me.

We need to strive for balance in the breeding program.
Example - no hackle hen to overcolored roo
or mahogany hackle high colored hen to no magohany shoulder or halo hackled roo
or no feather legged to heavy feather legged

I liked the Curtis Hale article too. He shared his experiences with his lines following the above practice. As he said in the article all lines are different. We have to do the work to figure out how to fix our lines and improve them. I don't think there are hard and fast rules about any of the color questions. A great bird with too much copper on his breast might be just what you need.

Show birds are necessarily breeders. We could get a show bird from a total outcross (happens in dogs a lot) but he wouldn't be any good in breeder department - he would not be able to reproduce himself We should contain our lines with linebreeding.

A lot is fixable but some birds would take way too long. When you aren't sure what kind of bird is in the picture (supposed to be a BCM) - it is time to start over..... but that doesn't mean if the bird is pretty good over all with a couple of problems we throw that bird away. That has been the message in the past but what I have learned here is we just need to fix the problem with a breeding program. We have to become BCM breeders.

For me I really didn't even know what they were supposed to look like. People would post a picture, it would be critiqued for faults and I still didn't understand. That is my fault too. I wasn't doing the work I should have.

I am learning a lot..... thanks to all that post pictures..... a very big help.

 

[Red Banks]

Here another BLCM rooster from the rear.

How old is this rooster? How long does it take for them to be mature?

 

[chickengr]

how many hens and roos would be a good number for breeding? please keep in mind I am short of space.