International Black Copper Marans Thread - Breeding to the SOP

[KF0002]

Thanks for that! I have a similar chart saved saved as saved as well :]

A black from a BBS line is straight black, no copper, right? Is that not true for a Blue? Wouldn't the Blue be straight blue and no copper? My Blue is coppered as well. Thanks for responding. I have some followup questions too

Well there are black BBS and black copper BBS. The black BBS are solid black or blue, no copper. The black copper BBS are black or blue with copper. Different color strains.

And you're welcome!

 

[KF0002]

Amanda says the LP Rooster is so mean she is not doing me any favors.... but it is very good news for us!

I'm not afraid of a mean rooster, send him to KY!

I'm used to mean roosters, our Games can be pretty aggressive. Most roosters get mean when they are with hens though, its their natural instinct to protect their harem. And then some roosters are just plain mean, hens or no hens. You just can't turn your back on them. Keep their spurs trimmed down to blunt the impact of their attacks, and your hens will thank you for that also. lol

And it is very good new for us! I am tickled to death you were able to get them! Take pics when you get them settled! I've only seen pics of the LP rooster when he was young.

 

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Well there are black BBS and black copper BBS.  The black BBS are solid black or blue, no copper.  The black copper BBS are black or blue with copper.  Different color strains.

And you're welcome!  

Thanks again!

So in your original reply to my question about breeding my black copper pullet and blue copper cockerel together you advised me not to breed BBS to black copper. Does the same hold true to breeding a black copper pullet to a blue copper cockerel that isn't solid blue?

 

[chickengr]

I have been busy lately but I spare a minute to say:

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

 

[chickengr]

@Chooks man

happy about your hatching! I hope you will be able to post some pics soon.

 

[KF0002]

Thanks again!

So in your original reply to my question about breeding my black copper pullet and blue copper cockerel together you advised me not to breed BBS to black copper. Does the same hold true to breeding a black copper pullet to a blue copper cockerel that isn't solid blue?

You can breed a blue copper cockerel to a black copper pullet, no problem. Sorry if I sounded confusing.

What I meant is that the black copper offspring from a BBS breeding should not be bred into a line of pure black copper marans that have no BBS in the bloodline. The BBS (blue gene) can dilute the black making a black copper from a BBS line not ideal for breeding in a pure black copper line. A black copper can most definitely be bred into the BBS line as they can be used to darken up the blue and keep it from becoming too washed out.

Marans come in many colors. Solid black/blue is one color. Black/Blue Copper is another. Two totally different colors. Here are some pictures from Bev Davis's website showing specimens of each color.

Black Marans (solid black)

Blue Marans (solid blue)

Blue Copper Marans

Black Copper Marans

 

[KF0002]

And when I say a black copper from a BBS line should not be bred into a line of pure black coppers (no BBS blood), that is a matter of breeder preference and is not a set in stone die hard rule. The black copper offspring from a BBS line tend to be a little more washed out than black coppers from a pure black copper line with no BBS blood. Or so I have been told. I am only relying on what I have read and been told by other breeders.

You can take your two birds, blue copper bred to black copper and create 50% blue copper and 50% black copper offspring. You can then breed a blue copper to blue copper to create black copper, blue copper, and splash coppers. The BBS gene is fun! Lots of different color combos to experiment with. Enjoy!

 

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You can breed a blue copper cockerel to a black copper pullet, no problem.  Sorry if I sounded confusing.  

What I meant is that the black copper offspring from a BBS breeding should not be bred into a line of pure black copper marans that have no BBS in the bloodline.  The BBS (blue gene) can dilute the black making a black copper from a BBS line not ideal for breeding in a pure black copper line.  A black copper can most definitely be bred into the BBS line as they can be used to darken up the blue and keep it from becoming too washed out.  

Marans come in many colors.  Solid black/blue is one color.  Black/Blue Copper is another.  Two totally different colors.  Here are some pictures from Bev Davis's website showing specimens of each color.  

 Black Marans (solid black)

 Blue Marans (solid blue)

 Blue Copper Marans

 Black Copper Marans

Thank you! You've definitely answered my question I often find myself asking too many clarifying questions. I am a sucker for the details

Well, I think I will still try and get a pic up of my BCM Pullet and my Blue Copper soon for thoughts on breeding potential separately or together for a BlueCopper line. If the cockerel isn't worth it either direction, I'll put him up on CL. I'm trying consolidate my flock a bit. Thank you for being so helpful <3

 

[KF0002]

Thank you! You've definitely answered my question I often find myself asking too many clarifying questions. I am a sucker for the details

Well, I think I will still try and get a pic up of my BCM Pullet and my Blue Copper soon for thoughts on breeding potential separately or together for a BlueCopper line. If the cockerel isn't worth it either direction, I'll put him up on CL. I'm trying consolidate my flock a bit. Thank you for being so helpful <3

You're very welcome! I have asked a million questions since starting with Marans and will probably ask a million more before I learn everything I need to know. Feel free to ask as many questions as you like. I will be experimenting with the black, blue, splash coppers this coming spring as well and so are several other members on this thread, so it will be fun to share pics of our birds.

 

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My birds were hatched 08/16/16, so makes them just under 19 weeks. I know there is often a large variation of laying ages dependent on what line they're from but how likely would it be that my pullet will lay anytime soon? I've not been able to find anything about marans pullets POL in winter. While I'm at it, my true Ameraucana and CCLs are the same age, so if you know anything about those breeds in terms of winter POL please feel free to share.