Understood cafarmgirl. Our goal is 25, not the 30. Right now, we only have 15 ( + adding 4 soon). That makes 19. For a coop w a tight (?) Capacity for 30 I think sounds good. Would you agree? And for the run to hold 25 eventually? We are planning to build another coop & run soon too. Hoping for a flock of 25 meat chickens. Will need to get those measurements correct though.