Is it moral to eat meat? ***Constructive Discussion ONLY***

[Wolf-Kim]

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I think it is boring for others, than just non-Christians.. I know I can't stand translation debates.. LOL

-Kim

 

[Wolf-Kim]

If a vegan/vegetarian accidentally kills a deer, what do they do? Do they eat it? Call a meat-eating friend to come get it? Or leave it?

This question has been gnawing at me for the last hour or so. I thought I would just ask and get answer from someone with experience. I promise I am not trying to stir anything up, I would truly like to know. I have great respect for someone so self-disciplined that they would take on such a personal responsibility.

-Kim

**edited for spelling and adding second scenario
**LOL. re-edited to delete second scenario

 

[chickenannie]

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Did anyone see the recent movie "Into the Wild" ? Besides being a true story and an awesome film, they had interesting commentary on the meat-eating thing. The main character, a young college graduate with little real-life experience, goes to the wilds of Alaska to live free. (He's not a vegetarian). He doesn't really understand how difficult it will be and is beginning to starve to death after a few months. He sees a moose and wants to shoot it, but stops after he sees it's baby, and let's them both go, glad that he didn't do it. But then he's REALLY starving later, and shoots a moose out of desperation to stay alive, but doesn't know how to properly dry the meat and it goes bad. He writes in his journals about how it's the worst thing he's ever done -- to kill this animal and then waste the meat. He eventually died from starvation and from accidentally eating poisonous plants. They made the movie from the book that was written after they found his journals.

I'm not sure why I'm mentioning this, since it's kind of gross and really sad, but it might be relevant to some of the prior thread comments. Personally I want to be respectful of everyone's way of eating, just as I want to be respectful of differing religious viewpoints.

 

[Wolf-Kim]

Sounds like an interesting movie. Thank you for adding that for me. I haven't heard of it, I may go look it up to watch.

Just wanted to add, please ignore my second scenerio. People do not know what they would do when they are truly starving. I'm off to delete that portion of my last post. Thanks!

I am still very interested in the accidental death though! If you were to strike a deer with your car and kill it. Do you leave it? Or what would you do?

-Kim

 

[kstaven]

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I agree...we either need to be rid of subsidized farming or come up with a better plan. Why are we paying farmers for NOT farming. I have never understood this concept. Farmers want to farm and sell their wares. consumers would like to buy said wares at fare prices. If we are growing too much food, let's share with impoverished countries (the gov't can pay the farmers for this act).

Rather than sharing with impoverished countries, how about giving to those in our own countries who are starving? Allow those in our country and others to produce what they can for consumption rather than for fuel and many of these people would not be starving right now.

Pasture raising takes much of the burden off grains, and produces a meat that is more alkaline and healthier.

Is it moral to eat meat? IMHO Yes. But having said that I must add that I for one cannot in all good conscience buy from a store when I am fully capable of producing my own under conditions I can control.

 

[ncgnance]

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What is this post for, Mod? I haven't quoted any scripture here.. in fact, I'm trying VERY hard NOT to quote scripture. But if I WERE to use scripture, I would NOT use my own words. I would quote God word for word. Wouldn't want to use my own words.

 

[LinckHillPoultry]

My opinions on meat have changed very much so. I used to eat meat a lot.
Now, after reading books and looking at things on the internet about how the animals are really treated in those big factories and how they are processed, it just broke my heart.
Now I am only interested in buying my meat from the local farmers, because my friend down the road (A butcher) owns some meat cows, and I know how they lived and they got to be free and such, so I will eat their meat without a problem.
I love chicken though... and I don't have the heart to butcher my own... so I'll have to figure out what I'm doing there.

 

[pdsavage]

Im going to do this from a nature point of view.Is it moral for carnivors to eat meat like lions and tigers?Sure we feel bad for the gazelle,but over population leads to a slow death of starvation.
I was watching a show on man eating tigers and everyone was like why are they eating people,uhm duh its meat to the tiger.
We all are prey to something its natural,we use to not be top of the food chain.
Even as far as we have come face facts BIOLOGY HAS NOT CAUGHT UP WITH TECHNOLOGY.....
You dont get mad at a monkey or a tiger for being what they are.
Im not saying that its right for the battery hens to live that way,because its not right.
Humans as all other things are evolving,will we evolve past our basic primal insticts?Isnt our basic primal instics what kept us alive?Most dont need thier basic primal instincs anymore as we live in a easy comfy world.But as i said before BIOLOGY HAS NOT CAUGHT UP WITH TECHNOLOGY....
As for morals well we all have our own and i will not live my life how others belive i should live mine.
if you dont want to eat animal flesh fine by me i dont realy care,same goes for meat eaters.Now if you abuse an animal thats diffrent.Killing food is natural,abuse is a human thing....
Anyway thats how i feel right or wrong.......

 

[mommy9994]

I'm having a hard time trying to fathom how a vegetarian might "accidentally" kill and animal other than maybe hitting on in a car? If that is the case, then unless you are able to able to immediately "finish off" the animal, and properly bleed and dress it, then there are biblical reasons against it-- but I can't tell you what they are

 

[Cetawin]

My views on eating meat is that it is natural for humans to do so. From the time of Caveman to now, meat & fish has been our source of protein. Our bodies are designed to eat meat and humans existed for hundreds of years before a supermarket, a microwave or a stove was invented.

Growing your own food, be in vegetable or animal is the way to go. To much junk, additives, hormones and chemicals go into the food in the grocery stores these days and what has it caused? Health issues for those eating it, genetic changes, animal cruelty, a lack of responsibility for the environment and an individual's rights to have animals for food.

As an American Indian, I can use my race as an example of such changes causing problems. When our people were free to hunt wherever they wished and eat the way they wished, they were healthy. Our ancestors lived long and happy lives. Now? Hardly, most of us suffer from diabetes...we are the most affected race by the disease in this country because our healthy eating habits were changed to store bought crap, processed foods and we were even moved out of our natural homelands and food sources. There was a balance between the people and the food. You did not kill what you did not use and you certainly did not kill all.

Today...many complain about hunting or tell us as supposedly FREE citizens when we can have animals, what animals we can have and how many through ordinances, local government and unhappy/noisy neighbors etc etc. The ability to provide for ourselves and our families has be taken away in the most basic and essential ways.

The result is a country full of unhealthy, microwaving, frozen food eating people with a drastically reduced life expectancy. I grew up in a family who fasied their own beef, buffalo, rabbits, chickens and hunted for deer and game birds for food. I have raised calves by bottle feeding them only to skin them 8 months later and put them in freezer. I am in my 40's now, have had my career in law, worked myself into a stroke at age 32 and am a grandmother...I am returning to my roots of raising and growing my own food. I am taking the time to teach my children.

If we were meant to eat only vegetables, they alone would provide us with all the macros we need daily...they do not. Supplements are required to meet that daily requirements unless you can eat an impossible amount of vegetable matter per day. No thanks.

I will kill a cow, shoot a deer with my bow or kill a chicken to put on my table. I feel it is our moral obligation to ourselves, our earth and the animals to eat meat.