is this chick a frizzle?

[hdowden]

what if i bred these chicks with a frizzle? would there be more a chance that the chicks would turn out frizzle?

no it wouldn't you would still have a 50/50 chance

 

[Ghostbelly]

thanks

 

[Smoochie]

Sorry, You would need to breed it back to a frizzle.

 

[Mr. Ree]

I have been breeding frizzles for many years and in that time I have put a lot of myths about them to rest, from my experience. Also, to clarify, when breeding frizzles dont expect a 50/50 ratio of frizzle to smooth, that is usually not the case. The 50/50 rule applies to each egg laid, not the overall percentage of how many of each you end up with. In my breedings, it has varied greatly. I hatched 11 birds last year and of them 4 were frizzles, thats almost half. This year, I hatched over 60 birds, and I ended up with only 11 frizzles.

Also, a smooth bird from a frizzle crossing is indeed a frizzle. That bird did inherit the frizzling gene, but both copies are recessive so the feathers do not curl. To get a correct frizzle you should breed a smooth bird carrying the frizzle gene to a frizzle of good feather quality, this will give you smooth and frizzled chicks, but there will be none that are curlies or frazzled. That is also why when breeding two smooth birds together that both carry the frizzle gene, you will not get any frizzled chicks. A proper frizzle needs one dominant and one recessive gene to acheive the broad, even, profuse curl you want. This, also, is why when breeding a curlie to a smooth you get mostly frizzle chicks, and very few to no smooths.

Any bird that is smooth from a frizzle to smooth mating, is still a frizzle and carries the gene, but unless bred back to another frizzle you wont get any.

Again, this is only from my experience wth breeding frizzles, but I hope that it has helped.

~Casey

 

[Ghostbelly]

oh thank you that is very helpful i was wondering about that stuff!

 

[Pele]

I have been breeding frizzles for many years and in that time I have put a lot of myths about them to rest, from my experience. Also, to clarify, when breeding frizzles dont expect a 50/50 ratio of frizzle to smooth, that is usually not the case. The 50/50 rule applies to each egg laid, not the overall percentage of how many of each you end up with. In my breedings, it has varied greatly. I hatched 11 birds last year and of them 4 were frizzles, thats almost half. This year, I hatched over 60 birds, and I ended up with only 11 frizzles.

Also, a smooth bird from a frizzle crossing is indeed a frizzle. That bird did inherit the frizzling gene, but both copies are recessive so the feathers do not curl. To get a correct frizzle you should breed a smooth bird carrying the frizzle gene to a frizzle of good feather quality, this will give you smooth and frizzled chicks, but there will be none that are curlies or frazzled. That is also why when breeding two smooth birds together that both carry the frizzle gene, you will not get any frizzled chicks. A proper frizzle needs one dominant and one recessive gene to acheive the broad, even, profuse curl you want. This, also, is why when breeding a curlie to a smooth you get mostly frizzle chicks, and very few to no smooths.

Any bird that is smooth from a frizzle to smooth mating, is still a frizzle and carries the gene, but unless bred back to another frizzle you wont get any.

Again, this is only from my experience wth breeding frizzles, but I hope that it has helped.

~Casey

If this was true, that would require chickens to have more than one pair of genes. Any animal inheriting two copies of recessive would express the trait in full because it isn't being overwhelmed by a dominant gene.

No disrespect, but your post doesn't make sense genetically. If frizzling was actually recessive, then you would have several generations of smooth feathered birds suddenly randomly throwing a frizzle. To my knowledge, that doesn't happen.

Edit: After further digging through several organizations and clubs specializing in frizzles, I've verified that it is a dominant gene. It is not recessive. Here is the genetic chart:

FF

Ff​

ff
FF 100% FF 50% FF 50% Ff 100% Ff
Ff 50% FF 50% Ff 25% FF 50% Ff 25% ff 50% Ff 50% ff
ff 100% Ff 50% Ff 50% ff 100% ff
(F denotes dominant frizzle gene)

• FF - extreme frizzle
• Ff - frizzle
• ff - smooth feathered

Note that f = recessive. And when you have two recessives, ff, it's smooth feathered and no sign of the frizzle gene in the bird.

 

[Mr. Ree]

If this was true, that would require chickens to have more than one pair of genes. Any animal inheriting two copies of recessive would express the trait in full because it isn't being overwhelmed by a dominant gene.

No disrespect, but your post doesn't make sense genetically. If frizzling was actually recessive, then you would have several generations of smooth feathered birds suddenly randomly throwing a frizzle. To my knowledge, that doesn't happen.

Edit: After further digging through several organizations and clubs specializing in frizzles, I've verified that it is a dominant gene. It is not recessive. Here is the genetic chart:

FF

Ff​

ff
FF 100% FF 50% FF 50% Ff 100% Ff
Ff 50% FF 50% Ff 25% FF 50% Ff 25% ff 50% Ff 50% ff
ff 100% Ff 50% Ff 50% ff 100% ff
(F denotes dominant frizzle gene)

• FF - extreme frizzle
• Ff - frizzle
• ff - smooth feathered

Note that f = recessive. And when you have two recessives, ff, it's smooth feathered and no sign of the frizzle gene in the bird.

No disrespect, but your post makes no sense to me. You just said the same thing I did, but you put genetics into it and threw in a chart. I never said the gene was a dominant one, and I also stated clearly that breeding two smooths from a frizzle mating together will result in NO frizzled offspring. Your trying to contradict me with genetics, and we both have said the same general thing.

~Casey

 

[Pele]

No disrespect, but your post makes no sense to me. You just said the same thing I did, but you put genetics into it and threw in a chart. I never said the gene was a dominant one, and I also stated clearly that breeding two smooths from a frizzle mating together will result in NO frizzled offspring. Your trying to contradict me with genetics, and we both have said the same general thing.

~Casey

"Also, a smooth bird from a frizzle crossing is indeed a frizzle. That bird did inherit the frizzling gene, but both copies are recessive so the feathers do not curl."

I'm sorry, but we are not saying the same thing. This statement clearly states that the frizzle gene is a recessive one. It is not in any way, shape, or form. I've been doing some digging, and there are masking genes that can come into play, but I don't think that they are helpful to the OP's question. The basic answer here is: breed back to a frizzle or you won't get frizzle out of these chicks. Any further discussion of masking genes and degree of curl don't really help him/her.

 

[hdowden]

simple version: you will need to get a new frizzle to get more frizzles from breeding if you do not have any frizzles left you will not get anymore from any of your smooth feathered birds...

 

[Pele]

simple version: you will need to get a new frizzle to get more frizzles from breeding if you do not have any frizzles left you will not get anymore from any of your smooth feathered birds...

Thank you Hdowden, exactly.