Is this hen a New Hampshire Red?

[Chris09]

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Can we be fair here and just call them Rhode Islands

The thing with that is that the breed name by Standard for the Rhode Island Red is the Rhode Island Red

If you go by the breeds true name it is a Red and Rhode Island is just the state of origin.

Chris​

It was tongue in cheek.

I know..

A lot of people on here don't know that the Real True name for the R.I. Red is just simply a "Red".
That is also part of the reason the New Hampshire is not a New Hampshire Red and why there most likely never be another breed put in the Standard with Red in its name.

Chris

 

[cbeth95]

So many posts! I wake up this morning to check and its never ending!

Thank you all for your answers...But just to clear it up:

A true NH bird is rare. Hatcheries sell a mutt version, that are commonly called "New Hampshire Red"?

I did get this bird from a hatchery, and they called her some weird breed name, so I looked her up on the BYC breed chart, and the "New Hampshire Reds" looked just like her.

So what should I call her? A New Hampshire Red? Or just a NH? Neither?

Thanks again!

 

[punky rooster]

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Probably a production red or you could say hatchery NH.
Punky

 

[cbeth95]

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Probably a production red or you could say hatchery NH.
Punky

I'll vote calling her a Hatchery NH

 

[punky rooster]

Sounds good

 

[cbeth95]

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Thanks!

 

[Richie]

New Hampshires are an American Breed. In America, they are called New Hampshires, and were entered into the standard as such in 1935, not New Hampshire Reds. Check the American Standard of Perfection for Poultry. There is no opinion about this, it is a fact. If you check the British Standard, you will find that the breed is called New Hampshire Red...But that is in England, not the USA. I believe the reason that the word "RED" was dropped from the original name was because they wanted to avoid confusion between the New Hampshire and the Rhode Island Red, its progenitor. Some commercial hatcheries erroniously still call them New Hampshire Reds, but if one sees the quality of undersized, un-breed appropriate birds they sell en masse, one can understand why the commercial hatcheries make mistakes in the name of the breed. We need to encourage more breeding of exhibition quality New Hampshires who lay nicely, but look the way they are supposed to look. They are my favorite breed and they are really a beautiful bird. My New Hampshire hen, Gladys, thinks she is my dog and follows me every where I walk.

 

[Chris09]

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If you check the British Standard, you will find that the breed is called New Hampshire Red

That is correct but in the U.K. they have New Hampshire's in Auburn, Auburn Blue and White.

I believe the reason that the word "RED" was dropped from the original name was because they wanted to avoid confusion between the New Hampshire and the Rhode Island Red, its progenitor.

The reason that the New Hampshire doesn't have, "Red" in its name is because the Rhode Island Red's true breed name is a Red the Rhode Island part of the name is just place of origin.


Chris​

 

[spartacus_63]

New Hampshires are an American Breed. In America, they are called New Hampshires, and were entered into the standard as such in 1935, not New Hampshire Reds. Check the American Standard of Perfection for Poultry. There is no opinion about this, it is a fact.

I am just curious. Where does the APA get it's authority to determine a breed's name outside of it's membership? This is not meant to be a slam on the APA, but more of a thought provoking query.

For instance, if I (or anyone) wanted to develop and market a breed with a specific purpose and I bred birds to this end. This adventure resulted in a linage of birds that bred true and performed along the stated purpose. Now let's add in that I had a group of interested consumers or fellow breeders that wanted my birds. Would I have to seek acceptance into the APA to label my birds as a breed, or would it just become a commonly accepted term through the acceptance of my birds within the group I marketed too? Or if my bird was recognized by another livestock group, could the APA then have the breed name changed because they didn't like it or it was to similar to another breed?

So I do not think that any club or organization can mandate as fact a breed name. This may be semantics, but a common name for the New Hampshire is the New Hampshire Red. When called that, most familiar with poultry know what is meant. So to say it is not opinion but fact is not as correct as you may want it to be. To say that "According to the APA the breed is the New Hampshire vs. the New Hampshire Red", in my opinion would be more accurate. Until the APA is granted regulatory power over poultry in this country, it is only able to regulate that within it's bounds.

Also if you Google New Hampshire Red you will get lots of info on chickens. if you Google New Hampshire, you will get lots of info on the state. So to say "in America, they are called New Hampshires" is also only partially accurate.​

 

[Muggsmagee]

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I am just curious. Where does the APA get it's authority to determine a breed's name outside of it's membership? This is not meant to be a slam on the APA, but more of a thought provoking query.

For instance, if I (or anyone) wanted to develop and market a breed with a specific purpose and I bred birds to this end. This adventure resulted in a linage of birds that bred true and performed along the stated purpose. Now let's add in that I had a group of interested consumers or fellow breeders that wanted my birds. Would I have to seek acceptance into the APA to label my birds as a breed, or would it just become a commonly accepted term through the acceptance of my birds within the group I marketed too? Or if my bird was recognized by another livestock group, could the APA then have the breed name changed because they didn't like it or it was to similar to another breed?

So I do not think that any club or organization can mandate as fact a breed name. This may be semantics, but a common name for the New Hampshire is the New Hampshire Red. When called that, most familiar with poultry know what is meant. So to say it is not opinion but fact is not as correct as you may want it to be. To say that "According to the APA the breed is the New Hampshire vs. the New Hampshire Red", in my opinion would be more accurate. Until the APA is granted regulatory power over poultry in this country, it is only able to regulate that within it's bounds.

Also if you Google New Hampshire Red you will get lots of info on chickens. if you Google New Hampshire, you will get lots of info on the state. So to say "in America, they are called New Hampshires" is also only partially accurate.

You'd be a fun dinner guest! Just sayin'!