Isabel Orpingtons

[TheOddOneOut]

So to my understanding isabel is lavender partridge and isabel cuckoo is lavender crele (which would be lavender partridge with barring). It seems to me that almost every "isabel" bird I see online are actually isabel cuckoo though. My guess is that the meaning is a bit foggy. For the purposes of any buyer, the terms seem to be used completely interchangeably. I wish everyone would just pick a label for them instead of using both. It makes it quite confusing

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It's annoying when sellers can't get their variety names straight.

 

[Weeg]

Would these guys be Isabel, not Isabel Cuckoo? Like posted above, sometimes its used interchangeably, which is incorrect. They look like Isabel to me, but I'm not that experienced with these things.
I have a slight obsession for rare breeds.....
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2554948306...zK0js6n3I4xE/Cla/mtF4X0pLg5M|tkp:BFBMpMOduJBg

 

[Rhodebar Lover]

Would these guys be Isabel, not Isabel Cuckoo? Like posted above, sometimes its used interchangeably, which is incorrect. They look like Isabel to me, but I'm not that experienced with these things.
I have a slight obsession for rare breeds.....
https://www.ebay.com/itm/255494830674?_trkparms=ispr=1&hash=item3b7cadba52:g:HSQAAOSw~5RiQQ-N&amdata=enc:AQAGAAAA4IYbJQIT0eebNHzgT5B/qrZe19eGpoTBJlGfj8acJpF7S9tkuggdSG/nkxMQCRxqEUm+gzeuCT+OosNooS0YeAvdF55UEV3FAhD6w4mXZXCYJ3JLTGO71WzE6b6VTPioaNv5cdzQxIlZbw+deDT4L42HvKC5cfeUPMRXqQmEiVXI+niOEbzT48vkxPuycI5+fHhiM2K9FHce4MkIccBc5RwOmjYjFdigtsgMoviAQQAL5P+GRPOFjcejsRR/OSclzqtWcAqUe7mJtpW/zK0js6n3I4xE/Cla/mtF4X0pLg5M|tkp:BFBMpMOduJBg

To me, I think I see barring on the rooster. It's harder to tell in crele hens which is why I'm focused on him. I think they're cuckoo isabel

 

[cherrynberry]

So to my understanding isabel is lavender partridge and isabel cuckoo is lavender crele (which would be lavender partridge with barring). It seems to me that almost every "isabel" bird I see online are actually isabel cuckoo though. My guess is that the meaning is a bit foggy. For the purposes of any buyer, the terms seem to be used completely interchangeably. I wish everyone would just pick a label for them instead of using both. It makes it quite confusing

I have noticed the same. Once stumbled across a thread that said Isabel is based on wildtype. From my understanding, it is supposed to be, but some terminology gets lost and varies depending on where you live. For the ease of breeding, some breeders use partridge based birds too. Males look the same, but females look a bit different. Pretty sure crele includes the e+ gene too (as can be seen in Bielefelders).

 

[cherrynberry]

Are Isabel Cuckoo and Isabel Orpingtons the same thing or different ?

They are supposed to be different, but who knows what the breeders are going by. Might be better just asking for adult pictures of the birds.

 

[cherrynberry]

@ColtHandorf breeds Orps, perhaps he can give more info.

Just to make it clear, I do not breed or even have any Orps. Just really like to poke my nose into random genetic threads

For the OP, good luck on your adventure! I hope you find the breed and color you want.

 

[ColtHandorf]

So to my understanding isabel is lavender partridge and isabel cuckoo is lavender crele (which would be lavender partridge with barring). It seems to me that almost every "isabel" bird I see online are actually isabel cuckoo though. My guess is that the meaning is a bit foggy. For the purposes of any buyer, the terms seem to be used completely interchangeably. I wish everyone would just pick a label for them instead of using both. It makes it quite confusing

This is absolutely correct. It's further complicated when people are calling birds Crele that aren't genetically Crele. But Isabel Cuckoo should be Crele birds with the Lavender gene. Isabel is Patridge with Lavender.