Its about time , a rant

[chickened]

This discussion about private schools providing a better education than public schools reminds me of an incident from many, many many, Many, MANY years ago when I was a young man. A fellow was telling me how HE had gotten a much better education than I since he had attended a parochial school, (at a cost of thousands of dollars per year) while I had went to public schools.

He dropped the subject after I pointed out to him that he was telling me this while we both were standing in the same ditch with a shovel in our hands.

Oh, by the way, he never got out of that ditch. I did. So much for education being better because of how you dress.

A quality education has absolutely nothing to do with who has the best facilities or the strictest rules. The most important thing is the quality of the educators.

That subject reminds me of the texts when I was in grade school. In those days the teacher got a special edition of the book that had all the answers printed in the back. We always wondered why? Didn't she know the answers?

And the attitude of the student or their ability to receive.

 

[chickened]

My daughter's private school has changed and evolved over the years and this year they made it known for the middle and high school kids that they MUST wear uniform of khaki pants and polo shirts, nothing else. Before it was gauchy looking of today's teenagers wearing holey jeans, ripped jeans, mis maatched shirts, sloppy wearing and diaper bag pants (the ones that would appeared to ready to drop from your hips to floor). If you were caught wearing them, you will be written up and they will give you a shirt or jeans or a belt to "hike" those pants up. I'm all for it! They were having problems focusing in class because they wanted to keep up with the latest fashion statements and "be in" with their friends.

As for PreK to fifth grade, nice well fitted jeans or dress slacks and polo shirts are the ones required. Dresses should be at above knee but not mid thigh.

Jewelry is at a minimum. Nothing offensive or racial. Earrings on boys are a no no. Multiple earrings, nose earrings, tongue piercings are a no no for ladies and men.

Please define. I am kidding of course, I know what you mean. The essence of the "why" we have rules and what they intend to create.

 

[galanie]

My daughter's private school has changed and evolved over the years and this year they made it known for the middle and high school kids that they MUST wear uniform of khaki pants and polo shirts, nothing else. Before it was gauchy looking of today's teenagers wearing holey jeans, ripped jeans, mis maatched shirts, sloppy wearing and diaper bag pants (the ones that would appeared to ready to drop from your hips to floor). If you were caught wearing them, you will be written up and they will give you a shirt or jeans or a belt to "hike" those pants up. I'm all for it! They were having problems focusing in class because they wanted to keep up with the latest fashion statements and "be in" with their friends. 

As for PreK to fifth grade, nice well fitted jeans or dress slacks and polo shirts are the ones required. Dresses should be at above knee but not mid thigh. 

Jewelry is at a minimum. Nothing offensive or racial. Earrings on boys are a no no. Multiple earrings, nose earrings, tongue piercings are a no no for ladies and men.

I like that. What uniform and dress codes are supposed to do is twofold. Everyone has stated that it supposedly keeps "style" from distracting. But more importantly, it teaches how one should dress and comport themselves in a workplace. You aren't going to be allowed to wear just whatever the heck you want in an office environment. You can't wear a suit on a construction job. And even a Walmart employee in those diaper bag pants just reflects horribly on the store. Same goes for some of the facial hair I've seen.

What we deem acceptable in public, as in the consumers and shoppers is different from what we expect to see in a professional or worker. School is akin to a workplace, not a big daycare center. That is what dress codes are trying to get across.

That said, I realize that some schools just don't do it right. Shame on them for even having a dress code if they are going to apply it unevenly or make silly decisions.

 

[chickened]

I agree, defining oneself with outward adornments is shallow, unstable and often leads to other self created problems in life... like "why can I not find a decent job?" when my pants need one hand to hold them up.

 

[KristyHall]

I like that. What uniform and dress codes are supposed to do is twofold. Everyone has stated that it supposedly keeps "style" from distracting. But more importantly, it teaches how one should dress and comport themselves in a workplace. You aren't going to be allowed to wear just whatever the heck you want in an office environment. You can't wear a suit on a construction job. And even a Walmart employee in those diaper bag pants just reflects horribly on the store. Same goes for some of the facial hair I've seen.
What we deem acceptable in public, as in the consumers and shoppers is different from what we expect to see in a professional or worker. School is akin to a workplace, not a big daycare center. That is what dress codes are trying to get across.
That said, I realize that some schools just don't do it right. Shame on them for even having a dress code if they are going to apply it unevenly or make silly decisions.

To clarify I am not against a dress code. I just find over reaching, arbitrary, and biased dress codes annoying. I also realize (even as a student) that a person will run into this their entire life. It doesn't change my opinion on it.

I mostly had an issue with uneven enforcement and restriction of religious and cultural dress. Which, in the USA, is illegal to discriminate in the work force based on religion.

 

[Lidea teapot]

Quote: Originally Posted by galanie I like that. What uniform and dress codes are supposed to do is twofold. Everyone has stated that it supposedly keeps "style" from distracting. But more importantly, it teaches how one should dress and comport themselves in a workplace. You aren't going to be allowed to wear just whatever the heck you want in an office environment. You can't wear a suit on a construction job. And even a Walmart employee in those diaper bag pants just reflects horribly on the store. Same goes for some of the facial hair I've seen. What we deem acceptable in public, as in the consumers and shoppers is different from what we expect to see in a professional or worker. School is akin to a workplace, not a big daycare center. That is what dress codes are trying to get across. That said, I realize that some schools just don't do it right. Shame on them for even having a dress code if they are going to apply it unevenly or make silly decisions. To clarify I am not against a dress code. I just find over reaching, arbitrary, and biased dress codes annoying. I also realize (even as a student) that a person will run into this their entire life. It doesn't change my opinion on it. I mostly had an issue with uneven enforcement and restriction of religious and cultural dress. Which, in the USA, is illegal to discriminate in the work force based on religion.

It also illegal in scotland to discriminate that's why when at school it's not about your personal religion or culture it's about school culture. As you have a dress code for church, synagogue , temple, mosque etc you don't wear school uniform their.just at school where we are all equally enforced to do so no discrimination positive or negative due to culture religion or anything els.
The fact we all wear the same to be educated means no one in the school discriminates in that way we are all one working for a better future.
By the time you get to Uni and everyone is expressing them selfs you know we all share the same goal. To succeed and be happy whoever we are and where ever we are. Strive to be the best you can be. don't let a uniform get in your way coz at some point we all have to wear them . I'm just glad its worked for my school and still no challenges on grounds of discrimination something must be working. It's not a private school it's just a good free school.

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[redhen]

I'm all for school uniforms. It helps prevent kids picking on other kids...and scummy gang members flashing their colors. When outside of school...let them dress how they want...

 

[OldGuy43]

And the attitude of the student or their ability to receive.

Can't agree completely. Part of the job of a teacher is to inspire.

 

[KristyHall]

Can't agree completely. Part of the job of a teacher is to inspire.

part of what has lead to innovation and the pioneer spirit of our country is the overall culture of strong individualism. yes it has problems, but i honesty believe that the individualist streak of our society is what leads to such a spirit of creativity and progress.

 

[OldGuy43]

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And I agree.