Thats why I cross out to the Dorking. They are a big meaty bird to begin with. Add in the cornish blood and they are small turkeys without the heart and skelatal problems. I gave up ordering meat birds a long time ago because of heavy losses that get worse as the altitude you live at increases. Just wanted to add. If you can get ahold of good quality dorkings they are an excellent dual purpose bird. 11 lb roo and 8 lb hens. Next best is a very good orpington if you can find good stock. Hatcheries up here are a waste of time and money if you want real quality with the exception of genetic preservation in Quebec. He does have some breeds that are quite good.