I've got blackhead

[furbabymum]

I have one turkey with blackhead. I'm trying to treat it with cayenne pepper and pumpkin but so far no change. I have a lot of poultry all together (I know that's why it's not advised). I'm wondering if I should just cull this turkey and hope it doesn't spread. What is the chance it will spread?

 

[casportpony]

No need to cull, it's in your soil, earthworms and poop, so culling won't stop it from spreading. If it's not too late you might be able to save your turkey with metronidazole. Someone in the peafowl forum found some at a pet store, I'll see if I can fin that post for you. Of course you can buy it online, but you probably don't have enough time before he/she dies. Your other option is to get it from a vet, but that's not cheap!

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

Found it, read post #2
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/832920/fish-zole

It also has Praziquantil in and I have no idea how much is too much. The effective metronidazole dose is no less that 30mg/kg (30mg per 2.2 pounds) once a day for five days, but many people give much more than that.

-Kathy

 

[furbabymum]

No need to cull, it's in your soil, earthworms and poop, so culling won't stop it from spreading. If it's not too late you might be able to save your turkey with metronidazole. Someone in the peafowl forum found some at a pet store, I'll see if I can fin that post for you. Of course you can buy it online, but you probably don't have enough time before he/she dies. Your other option is to get it from a vet, but that's not cheap!

-Kathy

Is there any way to keep the others healthy or should I treat them all? I'm wanting to eat them for Thanksgiving fyi.

 

[casportpony]

I would treat all of them with Safeguard or Valbazen *and* metronidazole, but that's just me...

-Kathy

 

[furbabymum]

I would treat all of them with Safeguard or Valbazen *and* metronidazole, but that's just me...

-Kathy

And they'd be ok to eat still after treatment?

 

[casportpony]

Metronidazole (Flagyl) is used in humans for a variety of things, but it is banned for used in food animals, which makes no sense to me. If they were mine, I would still eat them. Maybe Ivan3 will add his comments.

-Kathy

 

[furbabymum]

Metronidazole (Flagyl) is used in humans for a variety of things, but it is banned for used in food animals, which makes no sense to me. If they were mine, I would still eat them. Maybe Ivan3 will add his comments.

-Kathy

Thank you so much! I've love to hear from Ivan3. Amusingly Ivan is my husbands name. That better not be him out here cyber stalking me.

 

[ivan3]

Hi, guys/gals and fellow turkeys! Glad I checked in (still unwilling to cut loose from the big monitors so access BYC only at home).

furbabymum wrote: Thank you so much! I've love to hear from Ivan3. Amusingly Ivan is my husbands name. That better not be him out here cyber stalking me.

I'm sure your husband is a fine gentleman who would do nothing of the sort.

O.K., most of the problem with approval has to do with an overabundance of caution on the part of the regulators directed, primarily, at Commercial producers. Individual vets can still write `off-label' scripts for individual clients.
If a drug is judged (studies with bacteria & mice at high doses) a `potential' mutagen/carcinogen, or genotoxic agent then the approval process drags on and on.

Total/Depositional residues of Metronidazole in poultry? No good data, yet. However, studies have been done in mice and humans. The 1989 conclusion was that the results suggested use in food animals was likely:
Big file covering several drugs: http://www.fao.org/docrep/014/t0292e/t0292e.pdf

However, as of 2013, the `data' is still judged inadequate (will continue testing till the cows come home): ftp://ftp.fao.org/codex/Meetings/ccrvdf/ccrvdf21/rv21_06e.pdf

That said, as the clearance tables from the research in the first reference linked to indicate, the majority of the med. clears the body quickly.

Metronidazole continues to be used to treat trichomoniasis in some pregnant women - so toxicity is minimal at those clinical doses (1 2000 mg/ 2 g dose). Eating the tissues of a turkey treated 4 weeks following last dose?

If you really want to be strict, follow the Australian draft guidelines on Dimetridazole, proposed in 2004:

The APVMA is now seeking comment on suitable regulatory approaches to permit the ongoing use of dimetridazole in breeder chickens and breeder turkeys. If the APVMA can be satisfied that such use will not result in treated turkeys, breeder chickens or their eggs finding their way into the food chain prior to the 28-day withholding period the following changes are proposed:
• the residue definition for dimetridazole be amended
• the existing dimetridazole MRLs for poultry meat and edible offal be reduced and a new MRL be established for eggs, and
• a withholding period of 28 days be specified for meat and eggs.

http://www.apvma.gov.au/products/review/docs/dimetridazole_draft_report.pdf

A reference for quick/detailed info: http://www.inchem.org/
A tool for just about any dosing/med/conversion factors/math: http://www.wolframalpha.com/

Good luck!

 

[furbabymum]

Hi, guys/gals and fellow turkeys! Glad I checked in (still unwilling to cut loose from the big monitors so access BYC only at home).
I'm sure your husband is a fine gentleman who would do nothing of the sort.

O.K., most of the problem with approval has to do with an overabundance of caution on the part of the regulators directed, primarily, at Commercial producers. Individual vets can still write `off-label' scripts for individual clients.
If a drug is judged (studies with bacteria & mice at high doses) a `potential' mutagen/carcinogen, or genotoxic agent then the approval process drags on and on.

Total/Depositional residues of Metronidazole in poultry? No good data, yet. However, studies have been done in mice and humans. The 1989 conclusion was that the results suggested use in food animals was likely:
Big file covering several drugs: http://www.fao.org/docrep/014/t0292e/t0292e.pdf

However, as of 2013, the `data' is still judged inadequate (will continue testing till the cows come home): ftp://ftp.fao.org/codex/Meetings/ccrvdf/ccrvdf21/rv21_06e.pdf

That said, as the clearance tables from the research in the first reference linked to indicate, the majority of the med. clears the body quickly.

Metronidazole continues to be used to treat trichomoniasis in some pregnant women - so toxicity is minimal at those clinical doses (1 2000 mg/ 2 g dose). Eating the tissues of a turkey treated 4 weeks following last dose?

If you really want to be strict, follow the Australian draft guidelines on Dimetridazole, proposed in 2004:
http://www.apvma.gov.au/products/review/docs/dimetridazole_draft_report.pdf

A reference for quick/detailed info: http://www.inchem.org/
A tool for just about any dosing/med/conversion factors/math: http://www.wolframalpha.com/

Good luck!

Thank you! I'll be treating tonight then. Also saving this into my poultry file.