Java Thread

[Extra Java]

Just to be clear, Lyles birds are called "Auburn" because they are a combination of genes working together to create the pattern he wants to produce. The genetic term for this color is referred to as "gold" or s+.

A very dear friend explained it to me this way...
"Silver & gold are alternatives. All birds have to have a pair of these genes (there are, also, the rarer albino alleles). Even black birds & white birds still have to have two genes of one allele or two genes of different alleles; it just doesn't show up, but it is still there. S is the symbol for 'silver', s+ is the symbol for 'gold'. S is the dominant gene. s+ is the recessive gene. Even in a bird where gold or silver are not showing, the males will have one of the following gene pairs. S/S = silver bird, S/s+ & s+/S = silver bird with gold tint, s+/s+ = gold bird. when bred together each offspring inherits one gene from each parent. There is no combination where a bird can inherit a silver gene from a gold parent."

 

[BlackPanther]

*points accusingly* You, Extra Java, are a fountain of knowledge!

How long have you been in Javas?

 

[Extra Java]

Thank you.

I've beed breeding the blacks for 5 years and experimenting with genetic projects and new colors since last year. I'm also working on a Java preservation project that should be released in March 2014. I'm lucky enough to have a few master breeders who mentor me and some truly wonderful friends have been made through other avenues.

 

[ashandvine]

Though I have written for the APA and Java Breeders of America, I admit...there is ALWAYS something more to learn and I enjoy sharing freely with those that appreciate my efforts.

Most master breeders aren't in BYC.
Don't confuse my question or lack of toading for being negative. I ask because I am curious. Having the mentors you are saying you have is pretty fantastic and sounds as though it will be very beneficial to your goals. Please keep posting and sharing. Just don't be afraid to have questions asked.

 

[Extra Java]

When I speak of "Master Breeder" I speak of individuals who physically come to my farm, work with me at shows and poultry courses. A few of them occasionally visit BYC. Strange, I don't recall stating I was "afraid to have questions asked" in fact quite the opposite.

 

[Extra Java]

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toady

• parasite,
• flatterer,
• fawner,
• sycophant,
• ***-licker,
• back scratcher
• stooge,
• instrument,
• brown-nose...

 

[bnjrob]

Perhaps the thread should be put to bed for a bit.

 

[Cloverleaf Farm]

ashandvine....I just wanted to point something out, because I don't think you realize how you're sounding...

from the point of view of an outsider just coming in to this part of the thread, I've gone back just a couple of pages, and I have found three separate posts that SOUND like you are saying that the people on this thread are not knowledgeable, and are not reputable breeders. I know you don't normally say things like that, and I don't think it's intentional, nor what you mean to be saying, but that is how you are coming across.

 

[Cloverleaf Farm]

Here is one of my White Java hens.

This bird is absolutely STUNNING!!!

 

[ashandvine]

ashandvine....I just wanted to point something out, because I don't think you realize how you're sounding...

from the point of view of an outsider just coming in to this part of the thread, I've gone back just a couple of pages, and I have found three separate posts that SOUND like you are saying that the people on this thread are not knowledgeable, and are not reputable breeders. I know you don't normally say things like that, and I don't think it's intentional, nor what you mean to be saying, but that is how you are coming across.

You are right. I admit I don't think there are a lot of folks who know Javas because they are so rare-- including me, but I felt I was clear that there are a few who do, hence my pointing to them and asking questions. Thanks Clover