Java Thread

[TACEYPERKINS]

You have some great birds Saladin! I was just wondering who is Mary Ann Harley? Is she on BYC? How can I contact her. I would love to pick her brain on the Auburns.
Oh by the way, your son has a nice Black Java roo and your pile of pumpkins were fun to see. Thank you- Tacey Perkins

 

[rsf31tmp]

well I went to that mag's web site and looked around....looks like the type of mag I should be getting. Lots of info on the web site. I looked up some pictures but had no idea what birds were yours. So I take it you are either a writer or a editor for that Mag?

I bought my first dozen Silver Laced Wyandottes last feb and I still have four hens and a roo. They are 5 of my 25 birds and they are good for looking at and are cold hardy. My sex links and barred rock are my best layers, but I do like my Java's the best.

 

[rsf31tmp]

love the breeding pens and the use of pallets. Looks like you use what you have very well. The strap on the legs of a few of you birds reminds me of the old lady down the street who used to walk her cat. She used the same method.

I also like the barrels used as nest boxes, very cool.

Funny, I also grow pumpkins and gords.

There is a Duck thread on here that I posted on. After seeing some ducks at TSC last week, I have been thinking about getting a few of them.
I might PM you about those?

Again, I know this is a Java thread and I mainly want to talk about Java's and the so-called "Auburn's"

I do love the looks of that Black Java Rooster! Very sharp, is that one of his best?

 

[Chickielady]

Thankyou saladin for sharing regardless of the thread

It is educational to all bird raisers & breeders to see someone else's set ups, especially someone with vast experience

 

[hipeatall]

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agreed!

 

[rsf31tmp]

ok, back to Java's.... I have the three hens and the "Auburn" Roo in question and they are all going into the mating pen as soon as the weather breaks. It might snow again tonight? Yuck!

How ever, one of my dogs got my easter egger the other day and my SLW Roo is being picked on, so they might go in there until I am ready to breed the Java's. I have a full incubator as of today, so I have a few weeks to get the Java's ready.

 

[saladin]

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Mary Ann Harley is the 2nd Vice President of the SPPA and Secretary for the Nankin Club.

The Black Java cock in the photo is around 7 months old (at the time of the picture).

 

[saladin]

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The breeding pens are made of pallets; though they certainly look like it. They are actually wood crates in which cuplings are shipped; I just knocked out the bottoms and put on the wire tops.

The barrels once held Chlorine and are from the local water plant. You can also get them from the local coca-cola plant too.

Ask away about the ducks.

I won't say that Java cock is one of Summerfield's best; just one he caught to photograph a while back: 7 months old in the photo.

Chickens love pumpkins and gourds!. We feed bushel basket and zucca gourds when green and pumpkins in the fall. Those pumpkins in the picture lasted me a total of 5 weeks! The gourds do not have to be cut up, but they like the pumpkins cut up. We also feed a tremendous amount of summer squash and zucchini.

 

[saladin]

Let's talk some more about the Auburns.

They did exist at one time. The historical record proves that one.

I just think that what has popped out in the last decade or so is a result of the 'other stuff' that was put into the Javas to keep them going and not a recessive gene that was latent for more than 125 years.

Regardless of how it got in there it is now coming out. So what is to be done? Monte would probably kill them all.

As side note*** Monte raises more Javas every year than any other person in the US. That would include Duane Urch. Urch hatches more, but that is not the same a raising more. Last year I think Monte raised somewhere between 250 and 400. In all the years he's had them, not a single 'Auburn' has shown up! He has also supplied Garfield Farms and half of America with Javas.

Back to the topic at hand: Auburns. Again, Monte would probably kill them all. Me, I like different things; so I'd probably keep them and try to stabilize the coloration if possible.

I would want to do the historical research and find out what an Auburn actually looked like.

I have a feeling it looked like a Rhode Island Red. If that is the case, then wouldn't it make sense to utilize that color standard to refine the variety?

Tell me, those of you who have the Auburns: what are you trying to breed them to look like? Personally, I think everybody needs to get on the same page because if you don't you are just going to end up with a bigger mess than the Auburns are already in.

By the way, and please don't get mad at me, I think the Auburns are a result of the RIR blood that someone used to keep up the Javas............ I've been wrong before, but I don't think I am this time.

 

[rsf31tmp]

Ok as an experiment.....with my Java's

Without a doubt...I have 4 Javas....the Roo in question, a black java hen, my goldilocks that I have posted pics of and one more hen who has some color like goldilocks, but is not near as strong as goldi's.

I also have 2 red birds... one I bought at a feed store as a RIR, but she is light colored, has light brown tail feathers and a touch of gold lacing in her neck hackle. So I do not think she is a true RIR. The second bird was given to me and was from a feed store in a bin called "Red Pullets" I have looked at hundreds of pics and I think she is a "production red".

Ok, understanding that I am just a back yard chicken hobbiest, what would you think my results would be if I first pinned up the Java hens with the roo in question. Then on the next round, pinned up the Roo with my red birds.

I understand I am not getting any kind of true historic auburn breed.

Sure the experts would say eat the eggs and culled the rest...this is just for my fun.