Java Thread

[bnjrob]

Judge Card says in his book, when one sees white in feathers which shouldn't be, that means one is coming to the end of black "strength" in that bird.
Needs to cross black back into that breeding. Here is his book, one of the best I have ever read on the subject of breeding laws. Note these are
breeding laws, not theories or opinions. Starting on page 20. http://archive.org/details/cu31924003158312 Judge Card was Danne Honours' uncle's uncle.
The apple sure didn't fall far from the tree there. A veteran judge and poultry man, Judge Card invented the White Laced Red Cornish.
Best,
Karen

Good info, thanks Karen! I have this book but had not read a lot of it yet. Have a ton of the old literature, but a lot of the time I was looking specifically for Java info and just did a search for "java" and read the pertinent Java info in the books, but haven't had time to read the each entire book.

Hmm, well if some Black needs to be bred into the Mottleds to try to improve the spots....Have some Blacks but the type on the females was lousy, so relegated them to the food-egg flock. The Black males looked good, but very aggressive - not with people but with other chickens. They stripped the females of feathers before we knew it - very aggressive matings and started when they were only 3 months old. So we butchered the Black males - their testicles were HUGE compared to the other Javas we have butchered. So if that is the case with needing an infusion of Black, may have to go looking for some good typed Blacks. We did hatch a few eggs from the Blacks just to experiment with new incubator. Have one Black pullet that is larger and has much better type than whatever hen she came from. Although she ended up with a floppy comb. Definitely some food for thought and planning....Love these old books and glad you brought that to my attention.

 

[tommysgirl]

One of the members of the Java Breeders group has been doing the blood line research and keeping track of who went where. Pretty much since 1960, the Javas have come from Duane Urch. We have now found that there are still a few of the birds from Dr. McGraw in Alabama that were not crossed with Urch birds and didn't die out, but there are very few of them and it is not likely that the person in CA has the McGraw birds.

The SOP comes from the APA - http://www.amerpoultryassn.com/store.htm . You may find bits and pieces of the Java SOP listed in places, but if you want to do serious breeding, I recommend you get the book from the APA as there are things in it that are relevant to breeding Javas but not listed in the Java-specific SOP. We would love to have you join our group as well - www.javabreedersofamerica.com . You're welcome to message me if you'd like more information.

Thanks so much for the information. I am new to this but as a US history teacher and Chicken lady Heritage Breeds are what I want to work with, not necessarily for show purposes but for preservation. I don't know yet what breed I will tackle. I have Delawares and am adding the Mottled Javas and New Hampshires this year to see which breed(s) appeal to me the most. That's why I want to start out with good representatives of the breed. I appreciate the links and the advice.

 

[bnjrob]

Thanks so much for the information. I am new to this but as a US history teacher and Chicken lady Heritage Breeds are what I want to work with, not necessarily for show purposes but for preservation. I don't know yet what breed I will tackle. I have Delawares and am adding the Mottled Javas and New Hampshires this year to see which breed(s) appeal to me the most. That's why I want to start out with good representatives of the breed. I appreciate the links and the advice.

Ah history - you are right up my alley. I love searching the old literature for Java info and now am doing a lot more of historical research with cooking - tons of 18th/19th century cookbooks, not to mention genealogy research. It's a blast to watch history come to life as you find new bits and pieces of info. I love having Javas since they have a place in poultry history, being a foundation breed for other breeds - just fascinating stuff. There are a handful of us Java people that do historical research on them, so you can come fit right in with us.

We don't have any other breeds, we researched Javas before we ever found someone that had some and would let us get some from them - we've been thrilled with them. Preservation of a historical homestead bird is our goal as well, although I would like to be able to show some, to have a judge give us an idea on if we are heading in the right direction with our breeding choices. We think we've seen improvements in them, but it would be nice to have a judge take a look. Plus, not too many people show Javas either, so they need a little more visual publicity, and shows would be good for that. Was hoping to take some to our state fair's poultry show this year but then my husband's work put a wrench into that idea.

 

[tommysgirl]

Ah history - you are right up my alley. I love searching the old literature for Java info and now am doing a lot more of historical research with cooking - tons of 18th/19th century cookbooks, not to mention genealogy research. It's a blast to watch history come to life as you find new bits and pieces of info. I love having Javas since they have a place in poultry history, being a foundation breed for other breeds - just fascinating stuff. There are a handful of us Java people that do historical research on them, so you can come fit right in with us.

We don't have any other breeds, we researched Javas before we ever found someone that had some and would let us get some from them - we've been thrilled with them. Preservation of a historical homestead bird is our goal as well, although I would like to be able to show some, to have a judge give us an idea on if we are heading in the right direction with our breeding choices. We think we've seen improvements in them, but it would be nice to have a judge take a look. Plus, not too many people show Javas either, so they need a little more visual publicity, and shows would be good for that. Was hoping to take some to our state fair's poultry show this year but then my husband's work put a wrench into that idea.

Cool! I love how the food of an era reflects the history of that era too. Plus I have recipe collections from my grandmothers as well as my husband's family so those are always great to look through and experiment with. Thanks for the warm welcome!

 

[ashandvine]

Have a surplus of Mottle Java Large Fowl from Dr. McGraws line. Will be bringing two pair to the Baton Rogue Show in November to share with interested Java want a be breeders who want to help keep this old line form 1959 going.

Send me a personnel message if you want a pair or the two pair. bob

Any chance you are coming up to the Springfield show when the weather gets cold?

 

[Robert Blosl]

When my snow mobile is over hauled this Jan I could try to make the trip.

No just kidding. I have to sit in a King Cab with Matt 1616 to make it to this show in Baton Rogue. This will be as far as I am going this year.

 

[Extra Java]

it is not likely that the person in CA has the McGraw birds.

Which person in CA are you referring to?

 

[bnjrob]

Which person in CA are you referring to?

Someone else with Javas in CA.

 

[Extra Java]

Thanks.

Just making sure you know I don't keep Mottled though, I do remember a CA farm with them years ago (wish I could remember the name).

My purpose is to assist Bob as the newsletter states and keep the list for the McGraw/Mottled Java project.

 

[suncatcher]

I was in touch with a gal through a Heritage/Homestead site, she was listed on their breeders list, this was last year though. But, now I can;t find her contact info. She was in California for sure, and, she did have Mottled Java;s. There is a Nicole Barlow (sp) in Red Lodge MT, and a gentleman in Kentucky (I think) John, who are raising the MJ too. John acquired his MJ flock from someone in NC, who was getting out of Java's. Nicole does sell chicks, at least she did last year, but local pick up only, if I recall correctly. I really need to write this stuff down so I can access it easily!!! They are not here on BYC, that I know of.