Just a curious question

[CrazyCrttr75]

I have a Porcelain Booted Bantam Rooster (He was going through a soft molt at the time but has since filled out.)

I ordered a Blue Ameraucana from Meyer's. Although they say that they can come Blue, Black or Splash. I believe her to be Splash.

My curious questions.... How is Porcelain different from Lavender or something considered Self Blue? If I were to breed these 2, would the "black" in my splash female be more dominant in the offspring? Would the possible chicks have a blue gene from each parent (if porcelain has a blue gene)? Am just curious as to what the chicks may look like.

Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions and help me understand a little more (because obviously I know zip about genetics lol).

 

[BaaKaaawk]

Only one way to find out what the chicks will look like... hatch some chicks!

Seriously though, you have no idea what recessive and dominant genes in either bird are going to come through when you cross-breed. I get some of the most amazing looking, unique birds from "barnyard mix" so I'd suggest giving it a shot.

Would be curious to see what you get!

 

[The Moonshiner]

Lavender is the name of the gene. It is the gene resposible for self blue. Self blue is a color/pattern name. It's a black bird with the lavender genes.
Porcelain is also a color/pattern. Its mille fleur with lavender.
Self blue (lavender) does not have a blue gene it has two lavender genes.
Splash is two copies of blue (andalusian blue)
The porcelain will pass on a lavender gene but it's recessive so it won't be expresses.
Your splash will pass on a blue gene so offspring will show blue.
As far as exactly what the chicks will look like I'm unsure because ive never crossed the two.

 

[Willawong Hill]

Agree they will likely be blue according to the colour calculator, but will be hiding a bunch of recessive genes so not sure what sort of leakage you will get. Here's the colour calculator link if you want to play around http://kippenjungle.nl/Overzicht.htm#kipcalculator

 

[CrazyCrttr75]

Lavender is the name of the gene. It is the gene resposible for self blue. Self blue is a color/pattern name. It's a black bird with the lavender genes.
Porcelain is also a color/pattern. Its mille fleur with lavender.
Self blue (lavender) does not have a blue gene it has two lavender genes.
Splash is two copies of blue (andalusian blue)
The porcelain will pass on a lavender gene but it's recessive so it won't be expresses.
Your splash will pass on a blue gene so offspring will show blue.
As far as exactly what the chicks will look like I'm unsure because ive never crossed the two.

Thank you so much for the explanation! I appreciate it!

 

[CrazyCrttr75]

Agree they will likely be blue according to the colour calculator, but will be hiding a bunch of recessive genes so not sure what sort of leakage you will get. Here's the colour calculator link if you want to play around http://kippenjungle.nl/Overzicht.htm#kipcalculator

I have tried to use that thing but I just don't understand it. My lack of knowledge in genetic terminology and the different language really throws me for a loop lol. Thank you though, I do appreciate it!

 

[CrazyCrttr75]

Only one way to find out what the chicks will look like... hatch some chicks!

Seriously though, you have no idea what recessive and dominant genes in either bird are going to come through when you cross-breed. I get some of the most amazing looking, unique birds from "barnyard mix" so I'd suggest giving it a shot.

Would be curious to see what you get!

True lol! I've thought about it. My Ameraucana went broody briefly a little while ago. But when I moved her to a ground floor spot in a different place than the upper nest box that she was trying to sit in, she just was not having it. She wouldn't sit for anything. So I abandoned the idea of trying to hatch a few eggs and she snapped out of her broodiness. Maybe I will try again if she goes hormonal again.

 

[BaaKaaawk]

True lol! I've thought about it. My Ameraucana went broody briefly a little while ago. But when I moved her to a ground floor spot in a different place than the upper nest box that she was trying to sit in, she just was not having it. She wouldn't sit for anything. So I abandoned the idea of trying to hatch a few eggs and she snapped out of her broodiness. Maybe I will try again if she goes hormonal again.

I've found if I move a broody (and want to keep her that way) I have to literally confine her in the new space for about a day (at least overnight). Her instincts say "go back to your nest" so you have to keep her from doing that until she ultimately accepts the new nest you have determined for her. If she is on eggs, move those with her of course (even if you don't intend to hatch those specific ones). With this method, I have had great success.

When I have a hen go broody and confirm it after about 5 days or so, I will move her to my private brooder (which is a 3x5 separate "pen" I keep in my acre run area near the main coop. This lets her set peacefully because with as many chickens as I have, my main coop gets a little rowdy even with 8 boxes. A broody hen will almost always stay that way if she has a safe, peaceful place.

 

[Willawong Hill]

I have tried to use that thing but I just don't understand it. My lack of knowledge in genetic terminology and the different language really throws me for a loop lol. Thank you though, I do appreciate it!

I find if you click on the "pick colour from list" up the top you can just put the colour in (in your case porcelain roo and splash hen) without having to work out all the fancy alleles. It won't be able to tell you anything that your chickens may have hiding behind the obvious colours but it's a lot easier to use that way.

 

[Willawong Hill]

PS I'd love to see chick pics of the babies once they hatch!

Your chicks will have one blue gene from the hen (she has two so has to give one to all chicks), but none from the rooster as lavender/self blue is a different gene. He will give each chick a lavender gene but it will hide unless you breed them back to another chicken with lavender.