just got a pair of canadian geese need help

[kangababy]

I think the best thing you could do is either try to get ahold of the former owner, or call the US Fish and Wildlife Service and ask about a permit, but DO NOT mention you already have them. You might be able to fill out something like this and then they'd be legal to own for you.

Eitehr contact the seller that had them at the sell or the auction house. They should have known they needed transfer papers.

Do not all the US fish and Wildlife services. You have to get transfer papers from the person you got them from. If you call USFWS they may send someone out. and you don't want that

 

[JJRS]

That linked permit application is for authorization to destroy nests in high density resident Canadian populations. Go with Kangababy's advice.

 

[Pyxis]

That linked permit application is for authorization to destroy nests in high density resident Canadian populations. Go with Kangababy's advice.

 

Ah. Didn't realize. In that case, I say just go with the first part of my advice and try to contact the former owners.

 

[maransfan16]

i'll try to get them to give me the name of the seller but i don't think they will since we've tried this before

 

[Pyxis]

i'll try to get them to give me the name of the seller but i don't think they will since we've tried this before

Hopefully if you explain the situation to them they'll make an exception. Although it won't help if the first owner was keeping them illegally in the first place, which I hope is not the case...

 

[maransfan16]

well i couldn't get the number mainly because they were amish owned so my guess is that they didn't have papers on them either so is there anyway i can get some sort of permit for them

 

[Pyxis]

Well, according to Metzer, who sells and breeds them legally, you can get a permit for them. This is what they say about breeding them, and this is the page they link to providing numbers for local Fish and Game departments that they say you can call to get a permit to breed them, which, if you have a pair, you'd end up needing anyway.

Edited to say you probably don't want to mention you already have some if you call and ask about permits.

 

[refamat]

Canada Geese, not Canadian..they don't have citizenship there

 

[JJRS]

If you call either agency and tell them that you have pet geese with no permits and ask for a permit they will come kick your door (arrest).
There is no LEGAL remedy to your situation except to leave those geese alone and DO NOT CLAIM OWNERSHIP. They can still live there-unconfined.

FOLLOWING Q & A COPIED FROM "USFWS WATERFOWL SALE & DISPOSAL" PERMIT APPLICATION:

The only way to get a permit for any ownership of domesticated wild waterfowl is if certification/transfer paperwork is supplied by the seller (USFWS 3-186), at the time of the transaction thus creating a paper trail leading back to the point of origin (birth) of those particular individual birds. The seller must have a Fed permit for the 3-186 to be valid. Requirements for "sale or disposal" of waterfowl are two fold. One must have a Fed permit and also a State permit. The Fed-"Waterfowl Sale and Disposal" permit is the big one that allows a seller to sell a bird with paperwork so the buyer may then get a permit and eventually sell his birds. State requirements vary by state but usually shadow Fed requirements.
A Federal Migratory Bird Waterfowl Sale and Disposal permit will authorize you to sell, donate, or otherwise dispose
of to another person, properly marked, captive-reared migratory waterfowl and their eggs. A permit is not required to
sell or dispose of properly marked, captive-reared mallards. You should review Title 50 Parts 10, 13, and 21.25 of the
Code of Federal Regulations (CFR). You are responsible for reviewing and understanding these regulations
before you request and accept a permit. These regulations can be found on our website at:
http://www.fws.gov/permits/ltr/ltr.html. Below is a review of several sections pertinent to a Federal Migratory Bird
Waterfowl Sale and Disposal permit.
1. Do I need a permit to possess captive-reared migratory waterfowl?
No. Any person may, without a permit, lawfully acquire properly marked, captive-reared migratory waterfowl
of any species, alive or dead, or their eggs, and possess and transport such birds or eggs and any progeny or eggs
solely for his own use, subject to the following conditions:
(a) Such birds, alive or dead, or their eggs may be lawfully acquired from holders of valid Waterfowl Sale and
Disposal permits.
(b) All progeny of such birds or eggs hatched, reared, and retained in captivity must be physically marked as
defined in 21.13(b). (Also see question 3 below.)
(c) No birds or eggs or progeny may be disposed of by any means, alive or dead, to any other person unless you
have a valid Waterfowl Sale and Disposal permit.
(d) Lawfully possessed and properly marked waterfowl may be killed, in any number, at any time or place, by
any means except shooting. Such birds may be killed by shooting only in accordance with all applicable hunting
regulations.
(e) When you acquire any waterfowl, alive or dead, from a Waterfowl Sale and Disposal permittee, the permittee
must give you the original of the completed Form 3-186, Notice of Waterfowl Transfer or Sale, providing all
information required by the form and method or methods by which individual birds are marked.
Other regulations governing the possession of waterfowl can be found in 50 CFR 21.14.
2. Can I take waterfowl from the wild?
No. You may not take migratory waterfowl or their eggs from the wild and you may not acquire wild waterfowl
from another person. Anyone who transfers waterfowl to you must have a valid Waterfowl Sale and Disposal permit.
3. Do I need to mark waterfowl that I propagate?
Yes. All live migratory waterfowl (including progeny) possessed in captivity under authority of a valid
Waterfowl Sale and Disposal permit must, prior to 6 weeks of age, be physically marked using one of the following
methods:
(a) Removal of the hind toe from the right foot.
(b) Pinioning of a wing by removing the metacarpal bones of one wing or a portion of the metacarpal bones
thereby rendering the bird permanently incapable of flight.
(c) Banding of one metatarsus with a seamless metal band.
(d) Tattooing a readily discernible number or letter or combination thereof on the web of one foot.
4. What documentation is required when I transfer waterfowl to another person?
Each time you transfer waterfowl to another person, you will be required to complete a Form 3-186, Notice of
Waterfowl Transfer or Sale. This form will be supplied by the Service with your permit for you to photocopy as
WHAT YOU SHOULD KNOW ABOUT A FEDERAL
MIGRATORY BIRD WATERFOWL SALE AND DISPOSAL PERMIT
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needed and is also available on our website at: http://www.fws.gov/forms/3-186.pdf. You must furnish the original of
the form to the person acquiring the birds or eggs, retain one copy in your files as a record of your transaction and
mail two copies of each form completed to your Regional Migratory Permit Office on or before the last day of each
month.
5. Do I need a migratory bird permit to raise and sell muscovy ducks?
No. You do not need a waterfowl sale and disposal permit or other Federal permit to raise and sell muscovy
ducks. Muscovy ducks are now protected under the MBTA due to natural range expansion from Mexico into the
United States. Although we amended the regulations at 50 CFR 21.14 and 21.25 to restrict possession and sale of
muscovy ducks, we intend to revise those regulations. Therefore, we are not issuing permits or restricting sale,
purchase, or possession of muscovy ducks at this time. Release of muscovy ducks to the wild outside their natural
range is prohibited. More information is available at http://www.fws.gov/migratorybirds (scroll to 50 CFR 21.54
Muscovy Duck).
6. Do I need a State permit in addition to a Federal permit to sell migratory waterfowl?
Your permit is not valid unless you also are in compliance with State requirements. This means that if your
State requires you to have a permit to sell or transfer migratory waterfowl, you must hold a valid State permit in order
for your Federal permit to be valid. It is your responsibility to make sure you comply with State permit requirements.
7. Will anyone inspect my records or my waterfowl?
By accepting a Federal Waterfowl and Disposal permit, you authorize an agent of the Service to enter your
premises at any reasonable hour to inspect the wildlife you hold, your books and records. (See 50 CFR 13.47)
8. What is required to transfer my permit to a new location?
Any address change or other circumstances that affect your permit must be reported to your Regional Migratory
Bird Permit Office in writing within 10 days so your permit can be amended. (See 50 CFR 13.23)
9. Will I be required to keep records of my activities?
Yes. You must maintain accurate records of operations on a calendar-year basis. Your records should reflect
the species of waterfowl, total number at the start of the year, method of marking, number raised, sold or traded, and
the total number at the end of each year.
10. Will I be required to submit an annual report of activities?
Yes. You will receive an annual report form from your Regional Migratory Bird Permit Office. The report
form can also be found on our website at: http://www.fws.gov/forms/3-202-2.pdf. This report must be completed
and submitted to your issuing office by January 10 of each year.
11. How do I renew my permit?
A renewal letter or form and annual report form will be sent to you at least 60 days prior to the expiration of
your permit. If you want to renew your permit, you must return the completed renewal to your Regional Migratory
Bird Permit Office at least 30 days prior to the expiration of your permit and include a copy of your current State
permit, if one is required. If we receive your renewal request at least 30 days prior to the expiration of your permit,
your permit will remain valid beyond the expiration date for the activity authorized on your permit until a decision on
your renewal is made. If we receive your renewal request fewer than 30 days prior to expiration of your permit and
we are unable to process your request before the expiration date, your permit will expire and you will no longer be
covered for your activity. If you allow your permit to expire before requesting renewal, you may be required to
submit a new application. (See 50 CFR 13.22 and 13.11(c))
(3-200-9) 9/30/2010

 

[blueraven]

how are they doing